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|    Re: Chimp to human evolution - Sandwalk     |
|    27 Dec 25 18:15:51    |
      [continued from previous message]              > at the project published with 2500 human genomes. They found that each       > relatively unrelated human differed from any other by around 1 in 1,000       > base-pairs for SNP (single nucleotide polymorphisms). This is 0.1% and       > is around 3 million differences for a 3 billion base-pair genome. You       > have a different 0.1% difference with another human It is mainly due to       > the standing genetic variation that exists in our species. Because of       > the limit of the number of individuals that have been tested the cut off       > for standing genetic variation used to be down to 0.01 (1%), but larger       > populations like the human genome can push accurate estimates out to       > 0.005 (0.5%). Around 40 million people would have a variant found at       > 0.005 in the extant population, so these variants exist in significant       > numbers in the human population.       >       > As noted the standing genetic variation is the main factor in making       > each human around 1 in 1,000 base-pairs different from each other and       > this standing genetic variation contains the variants that are       > responsible for making each human phenotypically different from the       > others (we are not all identical clones). You can look at the extant       > human population and you should understand that there is likely enough       > phenotypic variation that exists to make several different species of       > humans as some measure phenotypic differences between species. It was       > just noted that the Neanderthal sloped forehead can be observed in Trump       > (it may not be that common, but it is easy to find other examples in       > news photos) and the Denisovan heavy brow ridges can be found in       > Indonesian and Australian populations. We have quite a range of brain       > sizes that do not necessarily correlate with how well that brain works.       > Einstein had a smaller than average brain for his body weight. Our       > current range of brain sizes overlaps with Homo erectus.       >       > This standing genetic variation is constantly being added to. Due to a       > population bottleneck that our species went through we have around 1/3       > of the standing genetic variation found in chimps even though their       > populations have been declining. We have around 1/5 of the standing       > genetic variation of your average species. Species have a boat load of       > genetic variation segregating within their population. In the extant       > human population every position in the human genome has likely been hit       > by a new mutation event on the order of 100 times. Most of this new       > genetic variation is lost through drift, rare deleterious variants are       > selected against, and a few might increase in the population due to       > positive selection. Most just drift in the population even if they do       > something that you might be able to detect like increase some enzymatic       > activity a bit, but not enough to make a significant difference in the       > survival of the organism. As Behe and Dembski have to admit these       > "neutral" variants can get together to specify something that does       > something different enough to produce a new function that natural       > selection can act on.       >       > When new species form due to isolation of the population it is the       > standing genetic variation that initially gets selected to differentiate       > the new population from the progenitor population. Species       > differentiation do not have to be selected for, but once two populations       > can no longer interbreed the standing genetic variation can drift to       > produce phenotypic differences between the two isolated populations. It       > is obvious that this genetic difference already exists within the       > population and does not have to be designed into any new species.       >       > Ron Okimoto       >              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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