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   jillery to MarkE   
   Re: Chimp to human evolution - Sandwalk    
   28 Dec 25 08:55:57   
   
   From: 69jpil69@gmail.com   
      
   On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 22:44:09 +1100, MarkE  wrote:   
      
   >On 24/12/2025 7:27 am, John Harshman wrote:   
   >> On 12/22/25 11:16 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>> This is a rejection of gene-centric causal supremacy, and an argument    
   >>> for multi-level, bidirectional causation and information sourcing. The    
   >>> cell (zygote in the first instance) in its entirety e.g. proteins,    
   >>> RNA, sugars etc and their structural arrangement (cytoplasm,    
   >>> organelles, membrane etc) and interactions regulate and control gene    
   >>> expression. The distribution of these in the cell represent essential    
   >>> "analogue" information. That's where I think the unaccounted    
   >>> information is to be found.   
   >>    
   >> That doesn't work. For one thing, almost all the information about    
   >> different sorts of cells doesn't reach the germ line, other than through    
   >> the genome that gives rise to those sorts. The ovum does contain certain    
   >> maternal proteins and transcripts that help to get development going,    
   >> but those are specified by the maternal genome, and the rest of the    
   >> zygote's cellular contents are quickly recycles using transcription and    
   >> translation from the zygote's genome. Whether a zygote turns into a    
   >> chimp or a human is determined by the contents of its genome, not all    
   >> that other stuff.   
   >   
   >"Whether a zygote turns into a chimp or a human is determined by the    
   >contents of its genome, not all that other stuff."   
   >   
   >Are you implying by this claim that, in principle, human DNA could be    
   >inserted in a chimp ovum or vice-versa, to produce a human or chimp?   
      
      
   Keep in mind mtDNA, which is part of cellular mitochondria, is also   
   part of ova's genetic package.   
      
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