From: rokimoto557@gmail.com
On 12/28/2025 8:01 AM, jillery wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 21:07:17 -0600, RonO
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/24/2025 5:32 PM, sticks wrote:
>>> On 12/24/2025 12:31 PM, RonO wrote:
>>
>>>> Merry Christmas and best wishes for the new year.
>>>
>>> ---snip---
>>>
>>> Sad really that you couldn't have just stopped here with your followup,
>>> but instead had to once again inject this obsession of yours into even
>>> this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> In 2026 TO will be 40. Snipping out the relevant history doesn't change
>> reality. It is just a fact that the Supreme court decision should have
>> been the end of the creationist denial stupidity, but it just caused the
>> name change of creationism to intelligent design, and that court
>> decision occurred just one year after TO started. Creationists in
>> denial like yourself and MarkE have been beating a dead horse for nearly
>> as long as TO has existed.
>>
>> Ron Okimoto
>
>
> To give credit where it's due, it could reasonably be argued that
> Creationists are responsible for T.O.'s existence.
>
There probably is no doubt that TO would not exist if it were not for
Biblical creationists. They were satisfied with banning biological
evolution from the public schools, but after Sputnik and the subsequent
improvements in public school science textbooks, along with the reversal
of the bans, anti evolution became more public. Even after the failure
of teaching scientific creationism in Arkansas the creationists just
became worse in terms of the whackos posting to real science groups.
They never had any valid science to discuss, and TO gave them a forum to
be shown how bogus their views were without bothering serious science.
A lot of them were much better than any IDiots ever were in terms of
presenting their arguments. Initially you had creationists trying to
support their Biblical beliefs directly. They were trying to justify a
global flood, and young earth. With the abject failure of these
attempts TO started to get more of the switch scam denial type arguments
that were in the Gish Gallop along with the continued efforts to support
the Bible. This persisted until the turn of the century. The ID scam
first came to TO in the 1990's as something that the creationists wanted
to teach in the public schools, but no one seemed to know what the ID
science was, but the stupid claims to support things like the Biblical
flood persisted into the new century.
The ID perps formed the ISCID (ID science organization) and it was
active until the bait and switch started to go down in 2002. The last
paper that I recall being put up was in 2003, and the site was moribund
until Dover hit the fan and the ID perps reformated the site. One of
the papers removed was the flood geology paper (Yes, a Biblical flood
geology research paper had been put up on the ISCID site) that had been
up on the site for years, but it didn't make the cut when the site was
reformated in 2005. The ID perps dissolved their science organization
in 2008 likely because ID perps were likely the only members left.
Philip Johnson posted to TO in the late 1990's, but he never discussed
any ID science. His denial claims were about the inadequacies of
Darwinism. The ID scam would not become the major topic of TO until
after the Bait and Switch first went down in 2002, when every one with a
clue knew that it was just a worthless scam. Really, after the bait and
switch started to go down Mike Gene claimed that he had given up on
teaching the junk back in 1999, but he still supported using ID as bait
until after the failure in Dover.
The Supreme Court ruling against creation science occurred just a year
after TO started, and resulted in the name change from creationism to
intelligent design years before the ID scam unit at the Discovery
Institute would be founded in 1995. That is all just history.
Ron Okimoto
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