From: me22over7@gmail.com   
      
   On 1/01/2026 1:00 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:   
   > On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 00:22:08 +1100, MarkE  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 31/12/2025 1:56 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:   
   >>   
   >> ...   
   >>   
   >>>>> What is *your* solution to this dilemma? It seem to me you have two   
   >>>>> possibilities:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> #1   
   >>>>> God tweaked the existing systems in a common ancestor of man and   
   >>>>> chimps so that a human  descendant would eventually appear.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> #2   
   >>>>> God directly created man as a brand new species but acting as a   
   >>>>> designer, he adapted the plans he had already used for chimps.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Which of those is it or have you a third option I haven't thought of?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Personally, I haven't resolved that question. I lean toward #2, as a   
   >>>> tentative OEC.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> My own convictions are that   
   >>>>   
   >>>>       1. God created   
   >>>>   
   >>>> and, that purely naturalistic explanations   
   >>>   
   >>> By supernaturalistic, don't you mean "I can make up whatever I want   
   >>> and call it a solution"?   
   >>   
   >> Vince, what were you hoping to achieve with this comment?   
   >   
   > I meant that "I don't know" is a better intellectual evaluation than   
   > "A supernatural agent was at work."   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>>    are inadequate for   
   >   
   > Supernaturalism is always inadequate.  Let's look at your scientific   
   > puzzles and their supposed solutions:   
   >   
   >>>>       2. origin of the universe   
   >   
   > God did it.   
   >   
   >>>>       3. fine tuning   
   >   
   > God did it.   
   >   
   >>>>       4. origin of life   
   >   
   > God did it.   
   >   
   >>>>       5. macroevolution   
   >   
   > God did it.   
   >   
   >               6.  My car won't start   
   >   
   > God did it.  Better offer some sacrifices!   
   >   
   >>>> My approach on TO is to attempt to use scientistic evidence to support   
   >>>> 2-5. If this can be done to a significant degree for one of more of   
   >>>> these, then I think 1 becomes the most realistic alternative in some   
   >>>> shape or form. The who/why/what/when/how of 1 is a separate endeavour,   
   >>>> and is not a requirement for 2-5.   
   >>   
   >> ...   
   >   
      
   Genuine question: What is your reason for removing God from any   
   consideration?   
      
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