From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 1/3/2026 8:24 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   > On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 13:22:06 -0600, sticks    
   > wrote:   
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   >> I would suggest you get the book "God, the Science, the Evidence" by   
   >> Michel-Yves Bollore, Olivier Bonnassies.  The first half of it he does   
   >> exactly what you would like to do with the same points.  Very well done   
   >> and it is not a difficult read.  For me, this book steeled the issues.   
   >> He uses research from atheists and agnostics often and then builds upon   
   >> it.  I wish I could provide some quotes and more details, but I had a   
   >> full knee replacement two days ago and I'm suffering right now, sorry.   
   >> They also have a chapter with 100 quotes from some of the giants in the   
   >> fields saying the exact opposite of what Vincent Maycock does.  They get   
   >> into a little bit of how materialists stop debate with tactics like   
   >> Maycock uses, and why that crap don't fly anymore.   
   >   
   > In a funny coincidence, I am reading that book right now - I'm about   
   > three quarters of the way through it. You say it's an easy read but I   
   > disagree; there is a lot of interesting stuff in the book but I am   
   > actually finding parts of it quite tedious - too much repetition of   
   > the same stuff, reminds me of a certainposter here:)   
      
   These guys claim to see evidence of the existence of some god using   
   scientific discoveries.  Sticks should be running from this book instead   
   of allowing himself to lie about reality by using the book as evidence   
   for his Biblical designer.   
      
   These guys can never do any better than the ID perps, and what Sticks   
   should get out of the book is that if some god exists that it is not the   
   god described in the Bible.  The Big Bang may be used by the IDiots and   
   scientific creationists for denial purposes, but it is one of the   
   science topics that Biblical creationists have tried to remove from the   
   public education science standards of multiple states and succeeded in   
   Kansas back in 1999.  The god responsible for the Big Bang and fine   
   tuning of our universe, at that time, is not the god described in the   
   Bible.  It doesn't take much brain power (the creationists that want to   
   censor science have enough to understand this aspect of reality) to   
   understand how stupid it is for Biblical creationists to support what   
   science has determined about the Big Bang.  The ID perps include fine   
   tuning of the earth for life as part of their fine tuning argument, and   
   that definitely isn't kosher with YEC.  The ID perps understand that it   
   took 8 billion years to produce the materials that our solar system was   
   made of in the region of the galaxy that our solar system exists in.   
      
   What was the intelligent plan for mucking around with microbial life   
   forms for over 2 billion years before beginning to mess with   
   multicellular life forms.  Why did it take so long to get things really   
   moving with the Cambrian explosion, and why was such a diversification   
   of life forms necessary?  How many better more well thought out plans   
   can there be to create an earth like planet after the Big Bang?   
      
   As for plans, Behe claims that his designer is responsible for designing   
   the flagellum in bacteria over a billion years ago, so that they could   
   kill millions of Christians (The Yersinia pestis (bubonic plague) is the   
   flagellum studied by Minnich).  Was this really the plan?   
      
   All the scientific discoveries that this book would honestly use is   
   already understood to be inconsistent with Biblical creationism.   
      
   These guys have had to divorce themselves from their Biblical beliefs in   
   order to think that this material supports their religious beliefs.   
   Their god hypothesis doesn't support their Biblical beliefs.  At best it   
   is only evidence that some intelligent creator may exist, but the   
   evidence for this intelligent creator does not support the Biblical   
   description of creation.  Kalk and Bill quit the ID scam instead of   
   honestly dealing with the evidence that these guys are claiming exists.   
   MarkE just lies to himself about reality.  What are these authors doing?   
     At least one of them admits to being Catholic.   
      
   Is there anything in their book where they admit that the designer of   
   this universe is not Biblical?  If they do not do this somewhere in the   
   Book (the Introduction or Forward would be where it should be) then   
   these guys are just blowing smoke over the issue.  Any such book by   
   Biblical creationists should acknowledge that science never has been   
   able to support Biblical creation mythology.  The science denial of flat   
   earth, geocentric, young earth and old earth creationism is due to the   
   fact that the evidence produced by science does not support Biblical   
   creationism.  The Greeks were measuring the circumference of the earth   
   using physical measurements a couple centuries before Christ was born,   
   and we still have flat earth Biblical creationists denying the science   
   in this day and age.  Like Bill and Kalk, Sticks should find that the   
   science in this book is just more science that he has to deny.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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   > The book is divided roughly into two halves with the first half   
      
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