From: rokimoto557@gmail.com
On 1/4/2026 9:20 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 22:06:38 -0600, RonO wrote:
>
>> On 1/3/2026 8:24 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 13:22:06 -0600, sticks
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> I would suggest you get the book "God, the Science, the Evidence" by
>>>> Michel-Yves Bollore, Olivier Bonnassies. The first half of it he does
>>>> exactly what you would like to do with the same points. Very well done
>>>> and it is not a difficult read. For me, this book steeled the issues.
>>>> He uses research from atheists and agnostics often and then builds upon
>>>> it. I wish I could provide some quotes and more details, but I had a
>>>> full knee replacement two days ago and I'm suffering right now, sorry.
>>>> They also have a chapter with 100 quotes from some of the giants in the
>>>> fields saying the exact opposite of what Vincent Maycock does. They get
>>>> into a little bit of how materialists stop debate with tactics like
>>>> Maycock uses, and why that crap don't fly anymore.
>>>
>>> In a funny coincidence, I am reading that book right now - I'm about
>>> three quarters of the way through it. You say it's an easy read but I
>>> disagree; there is a lot of interesting stuff in the book but I am
>>> actually finding parts of it quite tedious - too much repetition of
>>> the same stuff, reminds me of a certainposter here:)
>>
>> These guys claim to see evidence of the existence of some god using
>> scientific discoveries. Sticks should be running from this book instead
>> of allowing himself to lie about reality by using the book as evidence
>> for his Biblical designer.
>
> Ah, another person who has the gift of being able to evaluate a book
> without reading a single page of it.
I am going by what is on their web page. It isn't worth reading the book.
>
>>
>> These guys can never do any better than the ID perps, and what Sticks
>> should get out of the book is that if some god exists that it is not the
>> god described in the Bible.
>
> cf. what I said about people trying to make claims about the god
> described in the Bible using a description that the Christian Church
> dismissed at least 1800 years ago.
>
> […]
>
Oops people like you? Your problem is that the organized church started
off understanding that the Bible should not be used to reject what we
could figure out for ourselves about nature. ID perps and these guys
were never needed to support Christianity. It is likely that none of
the church fathers was a flat earth creationists, some of them were not
YEC, unfortunately, all of them were geocentric creationists, and likely
didn't understand the first thing about the evolution of life on earth,
nor the Big Bang. This likely should not matter, but it did in the case
of geocentrism, and the current science denial is a consequence of
Biblical beliefs. My take is that Saint Augustine would have been among
the first accept heliocentrism for our solar system, and all the rest
that many Biblical creationists are still rejecting.
Trying to look for evidence that is never going to support their
Biblical beliefs is just lying to themselves about reality. If these
guys have not stated that none of what they have come up with supports
their Biblical beliefs, then they are just blowing smoke like the ID
perps. They are detecting a designer that is obviously not the designer
described in the Bible. They need to deal with why that doesn't matter
to their religious beliefs before they sell it to other Biblical
creationists. They do not do this on their web page about the book.
Ron Okimoto
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