From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 1/6/2026 8:13 AM, MarkE wrote:   
   > I've recently claimed here that the 80 megabytes of information in the   
   > functional portion of the human genome is wildly insufficient to specify   
   > the development of a human [1] into the system that is us [2]. I've   
   > suggested that the "missing" information must be located in the ovum's   
   > cytoplasm, organelles and membrane.   
   >   
   > I've directly asked a number of contributors here if they believe 80 MB   
   > is sufficient to specify a human. This has generally been met with   
   > silence. I can understand why, after an even cursory consideration of   
   > [1] and [2]. Moreover, the implications of this for evolutionary theory   
   > and biology are profound.   
   >   
   > Anyway, it seems that ID agrees with me. This may not help convince you,   
   > but I'm encouraged that others think this is an issue that needs attention.   
   >   
   > If you're unfamiliar, what you may find interesting is ID's proposed   
   > solution: an "immaterial genome", with reference to Neoplatonism.   
   >   
   > I'm not discounting that position, but do find it surprising! Would this   
   > be a new creationist category, something like Continuous Creation? Some   
   > may have less complimentary suggestions.   
   >   
   > Anyway, enjoy (Ron, you may need medical attention after reading these):   
   >   
   > https://scienceandculture.com/2025/05/the-immaterial-genome-richard-   
   > sternbergs-labor-of-love/   
   >   
   > https://scienceandculture.com/2025/04/the-math-behind-the-immaterial-   
   > genome/   
   >   
   > ______________   
   >   
      
   Nothing to crow about.  The ID perps are just getting around to   
   admitting that they have been bogusly in denial of something that they   
   never understood.  All the denial about the genome and genetic code was   
   just dishonest stupidity.  They never understood the information that   
   really existed.   
      
   All this means is that they should now understand that they have to   
   start lying about something that isn't fully understood, and that they   
   can't quantify in order to claim that there is too much of it to have   
   had to accumulate by natural means.   
      
   How can you claim that there is an issue if you do not understand the   
   issue enough to figure out if there is a problem or not?   
      
   The genetic code isn't the information that life depends on.  It has   
   always been understood that a cell is more than it's genome, and that   
   the products of the genetic code depended on the 3 dimensional   
   information created by the RNA and protein products of genes.  This   
   encoded information has to work within what 3 dimensional information   
   that already exists in the cell.  All changes have to work within what   
   is already working.  This had to be true before the genetic code   
   evolved.  All the genetic code has done is that it has improved the   
   efficiency of the reproduction of the cell, and it has grown in function   
   to direct the development of multicellular organisms from a single cell.   
     The genome needs a fully functional cell in order to do this, and   
   every functional addition had to work within what had already been working.   
      
   All the ID perps are admitting to is that they never had an argument in   
   the first place because they never understood what they were lying   
   about, and they still do not understand what they are lying about in   
   order to make any type of rational argument.   
      
   Just think about this for a moment.  Sternberg has claimed that he has   
   been thinking about this issue for a long time.  He is the ID perp that   
   dishonestly got Meyer's Cambrian explosion nonsense peer reviewed by his   
   chosen reviewers.  He subsequently quit science (he was never fired nor   
   did he lose his office space) and quit participating in the scientific   
   endeavor.  His most recent scientific publication on his web page is   
   from 2005, and he joined the ID perp scam outfit in 2007 in order to   
   support the bait and switch scam.  He could not use his scientific   
   expertise to support the ID scam, so he spent around 8 years messing   
   with gaps in the whale fossil record (he was an invertebrate taxonomist,   
   but decided to prevaricate about whale evolution).  Behe destroyed his   
   gap stupidity by claiming that whale evolution was just the type of   
   evolution expected to have occurred by Darwinian mechanisms in 2014.   
   Behe was really claiming that his designer would have done it some other   
   way.  Behe tried to denigrate that type of biological evolution by   
   calling it "devolution" but evolution is evolution.  Sternberg had to   
   start working on something new, so he is getting around to admitting   
   that the ID perps have never been lying about what they should have been   
   lying about in the first place.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
   >   
   > [1] FROM ONE CELL TO A HUMAN BEING: AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS AND ITS   
   > MYSTERIES   
   >   
   > *Fertilisation* begins when a sperm and ovum fuse to form a single cell:   
   > the *zygote*. In that moment, a new, genetically unique human organism   
   > exists. Yet nothing visible distinguishes this cell from countless   
   > others. What follows is one of the most extraordinary processes known in   
   > nature.   
   >   
   > ---   
   >   
   > ## 1. Exponential division without growth: cleavage   
   >   
   > Within hours, the zygote begins dividing: 1 cell becomes 2, then 4, 8,   
   > 16, and so on. These early divisions, called *cleavage*, are remarkable   
      
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