From: me22over7@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/01/2026 8:24 am, RonO wrote:   
   > Here is the strongest argument for the ID scam.   
   >   
   > https://scienceandculture.com/2026/01/the-strongest-argument-for-   
   > intelligent-design-is-also-the-simplest/   
   >   
   > You just have to have no knowledge of physics, chemistry nor how   
   > biological evolution works to think that it is any valid argument at all.   
   >   
   > Ron Okimoto   
      
   Off topic, but I'm curious to know your view on the   
   first-cause/cosmological argument?   
      
   I find Roger Penrose's position revealing. He recognises that this   
   argument has weight, and attempts to avoid an absolute space/time   
   beginning (and thus a “first cause”) without invoking a multiverse or   
   speculative quantum creation from nothing with his Conformal Cyclic   
   Cosmology (CCC).   
      
   Thanks Roger for confirming that (i) the first-cause problem is real;   
   (ii) current materialist hypotheses are doubtful at best; and (iii)   
   materialists are willing to try any amount of mathematical gymnastics   
   (e.g. CCC) to avoid the God hypothesis.   
      
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