From: 69jpil69@gmail.com   
      
   On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 06:34:20 -0800, John Harshman   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 1/7/26 5:29 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >> On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 06:53:35 -0800, John Harshman   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>    
   >> [snip for focus]   
   >>    
   >> I said that I saw no value in continuing this discussion, but I do   
   >> want to address this specific point as I don't like what I said being   
   >> misrepresented, intentionally or not.   
   >>    
   >>> And of course Y-Adam and mt-Eve were not a couple. There are only so   
   >>> many round holes into which you can fit a square peg before the strain   
   >>> shows.   
   >>    
   >> Neither I nor the authors of the book suggested that they were a   
   >> couple.   
   >   
   >But you called them a couple. Perhaps you didn't mean to say that, but    
   >here: "They refer to the Hebrew belief that mankind descended from a    
   >single couple which has been confirmed by Mitochondrial Eve and    
   >Y-chromosomal Adam." Further, the Hebrew belief, which you say was    
   >confirmed, was that they were a couple.   
   >   
   >> We are all descended from mt-Eve's parents -    
      
      
   The above is true if and only if mt-Eve's parents had no other   
   descendants.  For Harran to say the above supports your claim that he   
   doesn't understand the reasoning behind mt-Eve and y-chromosome Adam.   
      
      
   >> they are a couple. We are   
   >> also descended from her grandparents so that's another two couples.   
   >> Her great-grandparents give us another 4 couples, and so on. The same   
   >> applies to Y-Adam.   
   >   
   >Note that neither was likely to have been an anatomically modern human,    
   >though probably in the H. sapiens lineage as distinct from H.    
   >neandertalensis. And, though you don't say it and isn't completely clear    
   >that you know it, we are also descended from a great many couples who    
   >aren't in either of those lineages. There's    
   >little-bit-in-the-middle-of-chromosome-14-Bob and his wife,    
   >left-us-no-genetic-material-whatsoever-Stanley and his wife, etc.   
   >   
   >> There are a multitude of couples we are descended from; that is why I   
   >> specifically said that "it is only an issue if someone argues that   
   >> they were the *only* common ancestor."   
   >   
   >And yet you did call them a couple.    
      
      
   Yes, he did, as proved by your quoted text above, despite his   
   protestations to the contrary.   
      
      
   >More importantly, how is this in any    
   >way a biblical prediction that science has been forced to accept? The    
   >only connection to the myth is the unfortunate choice of names. Perhaps    
   >they should have been called Y-chromosome-Ask and mt-Embla, thus    
   >confirming the Norse belief. Of course all that it really confirms is    
   >that humans come in two sexes, both necessary for reproduction. This is    
   >a ridiculous example of what you were asked for, and you should admit it.   
      
      
   Be careful, or he might KF you too.   
      
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