From: cates_db@hotmail.com   
      
   On 2026-01-11 11:29 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:   
   > On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 11:45:26 -0600, DB Cates    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2026-01-10 11:34 a.m., John Harshman wrote:   
   >   
   > [...]   
   >   
   >>   But I really have no idea what   
   >>> point Martin is trying to make. What, if anything, would a putative Adam   
   >>> and Eve, whether or not they were the only humans at the time, have to   
   >>> do with Y-Adam or mt-Eve?   
   >>>   
   >> Beats me.   
   >   
   > There are two points.   
   >   
   > The *immediate* one is that Harshman tried to make out that I was   
   > claiming Y-Adam or mt-Eve are a couple. Although I told him that was   
   > not the case several times in the past, I was prepared to put it down   
   > to a memory lapse on his part but the more he has tried to wriggle out   
   > of it, even after I clearly stated that it was not what I was saying,   
   > the more it looks as if he was quite deliberate in what he claimed.   
      
   The context of this particular sub-thread was your claim that the   
   statistical existence of a 'mitochondrial Eve' and 'Y-chromosome Adam'   
   is an example of science being forced to agree with a Biblical claim.   
   You used the term 'couple' in your argument and the Biblical Eve and   
   Adam are unquestionably a 'couple, so one might think it was you who had   
   a 'memory lapse'.   
      
   Science never had a problem with there being innumerable common ancestor   
   couples for any extant population but never thought that there was a   
   unique couple; that would be the biblical view.   
   >   
   > The *underlying* point is that Harshman and others have tried in the   
   > past to scornfully dismiss Christian belief in humans being descended   
   > from one couple but we are in fact descended from many such couples.   
   >   
   > Whether or not any of those couples would qualify as the source of the   
   > Genesis Adam and Eve, is of course, a separate argument.   
   >   
   Is there a biblical interpretation that agrees that if you go back far   
   enough that the 'mitochondrial Eve' and 'Y-chromosome Adam' would not be   
   Homo sapiens sapiens?   
      
      
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