From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   https://scienceandculture.com/2026/01/with-james-tour-i-have-bee   
   -assessing-the-evidence-for-evolutionary-innovation/   
      
   Tour has a couple videos up at the ID scam web site where he is   
   discussing the evidence for biological evolution with Rob Stadler.  If   
   you can stand the stupidity you can try to watch the videos.  The first   
   one is trying to claim that the existing long term evolutionary   
   experiments constrain the type of evolution that could have occurred.   
   Their logic (lack of logic) that only differences within kinds have been   
   observed.  What do they expect?  Some of their kinds have been evolving   
   for over 12 million years or longer in a lot of cases.  How much   
   evolution are we going to see in a decade or two?  They have some weird   
   notion of repeatability in terms of scientific observations as they   
   apply to biological evolution.  They do not count the evidence for each   
   of their "kind" lineages that Stadler claims were created independently.   
     He understands that each of those lineages can be traced back in time   
   and that their evolution can be deduced for each lineage and each one   
   supports biological evolution, but that does not count as repeated   
   success.  We not only have the DNA evidence, but we have the fossil   
   evidence to back up the DNA evidence for most of these lineages.  The   
   nutty thing is that the same information tells us the evolutionary   
   relationships among the different species of the same Stadler kind.  He   
   can accept that some species within kinds are more distantly related to   
   each other than others within the kind.  He even pointed out the AIG's   
   dog kind that includes foxes.  We can observe the same evolutionary   
   difference between foxes and wolves as exists between humans an   
   orangutans.  We have about the same relationships with our DNA and with   
   other species with orangutans as exists with foxes and wolves.  Stadler   
   claims this is what could occur within kinds.  Orangs are not just   
   related to humans, but like humans that nest within the great apes they   
   share relationships with chimps and gorillas.   
      
   It looks like Stadler is another YEC that joined up to support the ID   
   bait and switch scam.  What kind of creationist would support a stupid   
   bait and switch effort.  Everyone knows that the denial never amounted   
   to anything, and that it just has been used as bait for over 2 decades.   
   Tour even knows that ID has always been a scam, and claims that he   
   understands that no ID science ever existed to teach in the public   
   schools.  He just can't give up on the gap denial.  It just tells you   
   how cracked the ID scam denial has become.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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