From: martinharran@gmail.com
On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 14:04:03 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 08:18:42 +1100
>MarkE wrote:
>
>> On 20/01/2026 9:29 am, Jim Jackson wrote:
>> > On 2025-12-17, MarkE wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It is difficult to quantify, but even a casual observer of chimps and
>> >> humans recognises the scale of the difference. Civilisation and
>> >> spaceflight, for example.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I would just make the observation that there were people only about 150
>> > years that said the similar things when comparing white people with
>> > indigenous people.
>> >
>>
>> It's a reminder of how wrong a widely held viewpoint can be. God and
>> materialism are both widely held, mutually exclusive viewpoints.
>>
>
>Martin Harran, if I understand him correctly, doesn't see it this way.
Depends on how you (or MarkE) define, materialism. If you go with the
standard definition that *everything* is due to natural causes and
there is no such thing as the supernatural, then that excludes God by
definition. As a convinced dualist, I certainly would not subscribe to
that.
I accept materialist explanations where there is good scientific
evidence to support those explanations as is the case with both
evolution and cosmology, the areas that ID'ers struggle with.
Science, however, despite its best effort, has nothing to offer in
explaining consciousness which I believe is the same thing that
religious believers term the soul. I thoroughly disagree with those
who insist that because science has done such a fantastic job at
finding out how material things function, that they will eventually,
somehow or other figure out consciousness.
>
>Of course you'd have to clarify if your "materialism" is a
>denigrated view of "scientific knowledge".
>
>"God in the details?"
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