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   On 3/02/2026 3:18 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:   
   > On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 11:46:21 +1100, MarkE  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 3/02/2026 10:50 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:   
   >>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 23:04:50 +1100, MarkE  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2/02/2026 4:21 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:   
   >>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 09:18:56 +1100, MarkE  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2/02/2026 7:59 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 06:57:31 +1100   
   >>>>>>> MarkE  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 2/02/2026 1:55 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:   
   >>>>>>> []   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I came to see what recent advances there had been on how life began.   
   >>>>>>>>> 'Goddidit' isn't a satisfactory answer.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> What if, in reality, God did it?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Then he's a rubbish creator, if it takes 4 billion years to get any   
   >>>>>>> worshipper feedback.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What if I asked you a trick question with a huge suppostion in it?   
   >>>>>>> e.g.   
   >>>>>>> Do you feel some deep insecurity about life that you need a 'god'   
   >>>>>>> to comfort you?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Marx's "opium of the people"?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Certainly, recognise one's worldview and the risk of confirmation bias   
   >>>>>> etc that it brings. I try to argue on the basis of science, as best I   
   >>>>>> can. But who of us is free from the influence of our preconceptions and   
   >>>>>> beliefs?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Similarly, do you reject God   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You mean reject the idea of God.  After all, there's no God there to   
   >>>>> reject.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> because the idea of moral accountability is   
   >>>>>> uncomfortable?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No, that can't be it.  There's no reason to be morally accountable to   
   >>>>> some Cosmic Designer.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> On what basis do you assert that?   
   >>>   
   >>> The lack of  a rationale for equating an Intelligent Designer with the   
   >>> God of the Bible.   
   >>>   
   >>>> A creator may well have expectations of their creation.   
   >>>   
   >>> Or "they" may not.  So there's nothing in the data for atheists to shy   
   >>> away from, morally, if indeed there were such a concern among atheists   
   >>> (which you haven't demonstrated, of course).   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> You've missed the logic. To reiterate: one's metaphysics either way   
   >> (theist or atheist) both have a risk of bias when assessing evidence.   
   >> For the theist, a desire to confirm a God of love and purpose (as a   
   >> potential recipient of those);   
   >   
   > Which a Cosmic Designer might very well not be.  So do you really gain   
   > anything metaphysically by believing in such a character?   
   >   
   >> for the atheist, a desire to disconfirm a   
   >> God of accountability and judgement (as a potential recipient of those).   
   >   
   > Which we can easily avoid believing in, even if there were an   
   > Intelligent Designer.  So what do we gain metaphysically by denying   
   > the existence of such a creature?   
   >   
      
   Again, you're not following the logic here.   
      
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