From: martinharran@gmail.com   
      
   On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 17:16:22 -0600, DB Cates    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 2026-02-02 11:11 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:   
   >> On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 09:55:38 -0600, DB Cates    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 2026-02-02 3:12 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>> On Sun, 1 Feb 2026 12:25:18 -0600, DB Cates    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 2026-02-01 11:37 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Sun, 1 Feb 2026 08:33:15 -0800, John Harshman   
   >>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 2/1/26 7:02 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:36:52 -0600, DB Cates    
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2026-01-31 11:30 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 09:43:49 -0800, Mark Isaak   
   >>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> [snip]   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I don't think that the Church's opinion that the recognition of God   
   >>>>>>>>>> started with one couple is of any great significance and certainly   
   >>>>>>>>>> doesn't harm anyone. I doubt that anybody other than theologians   
   with   
   >>>>>>>>>> nothing better to do ever even gives it any thought other than   
   >>>>>>>>>> theologians with nothing better to do. I'm a very active participant   
   >>>>>>>>>> in my Church and I've never ever heard anyone mention it, the only   
   >>>>>>>>>> place I have ever encountered it is here in TO and in the recent   
   book   
   >>>>>>>>>> I read that started this sub-thread. Even in that book it was a   
   minor   
   >>>>>>>>>> item,   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Do you still think this constitutes an (even if not notable) example   
   of   
   >>>>>>>>> science confirming a biblical position while discomfirming a previous   
   >>>>>>>>> scientific position?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Where did I say it disconfirmed a previous scientific position?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It was advanced as an example of something from the book. What was that   
   >>>>>>> something? Or are you saying you disagree with the book?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> So where did I or the book say it disconfirmed a previous scientific   
   >>>>>> position?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> Although not directly stated,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So I didn't say it. That's at least twice that you have challenged me   
   >>>> on what I didn't say rather than what I did say. I'm used to that   
   >>>> carry on with Harshman and a few others; I expected better from you.   
   >>>   
   >>> I'm sorry for that, I was also relying on a, perhaps flawed, impression   
   >>> that that was the position of the author of the book from which this   
   >>> example was taken.   
   >>>   
   >>> Can you answer my question with the "while disconfirming ..." bit left off?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> I think it was implied when you stated   
   >>>>> that in your experience on-line that the scientists you interacted with   
   >>>>> were dismissive of the idea of a common ancestor for all of humanity.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Do you seriously think whilst I have the highest regard for the   
   >>>> *scientific* qualifications and knowledge of Harshman and the others   
   >>>> who engaged in that discussion, that I would regard their opinions on   
   >>>> something like Adam and Eve as an established position of science   
   >>>> generally?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not to nitpick but in fairness to them, they didn't dismiss the idea   
   >>>> of a common ancestor, they tried to dismiss the idea of humans all   
   >>>> being descended from a single couple. I pointed out the contradiction   
   >>>> in that argument.   
   >>>>   
   >>> What contradiction? Common ancestor for extant humans? Yes. Common   
   >>> ancestor for all humans? No.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Note that coalescence theory looks at common ancestors of extant humans.   
   >>>>> no matter which common ancestor you pick for extant humans there will be   
   >>>>> dead humans who were *not* descended from them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> --   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That was raised earlier (not sure, possibly by yourself) and I pointed   
   >>>> out that the extant population at the time the Bible was written would   
   >>>> have had an MT-Eve and a Y-Adam from whom that population was all   
   >>>> descended. I wrongly suggested that the MT-Eve and Y-Adam would have   
   >>>> been much closer in time to that population that doesn't change the   
   >>>> fact that they were numerous specific couples from whom that entire   
   >>>> population were all descended.   
   >>>>   
   >>> That does not change the conclusion that no matter which common ancestor   
   >>> (of extant humans at the time) you chose, there are humans from previous   
      
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