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   On 3/02/2026 2:14 pm, John Harshman wrote:   
   > On 2/2/26 6:05 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >> On 3/02/2026 12:11 pm, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>> On 2/1/26 6:02 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/02/2026 3:44 am, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>> On 1/31/26 10:18 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 1/02/2026 9:11 am, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 1/31/26 1:58 AM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 31/01/2026 2:37 pm, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 1/30/26 5:26 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2026 5:56 am, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 9:54 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 3:17 pm, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 7:57 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 2:10 pm, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 6:40 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 12:50 pm, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 5:31 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 11:20 am, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 3:37 AM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/01/2026 11:41 am, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/24/26 3:28 AM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/01/2026 1:54 am, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/26 6:15 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/01/2026 1:31 am, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/26 9:18 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2026 3:22 am, John Harshman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now if you're interested in what makes an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organism, without much regard for what kind of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organism, you have a point that the ovum has   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various bits that must be in place in order to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get the process of development going, and that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are many interactions between cells that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not directly controlled by the genome. But   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the source of the bits that interact is still   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the genome, at first the maternal genome and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later the zygote's.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly all proteins in the cell are produced   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from gene coding. However, doesn't the following   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (for example) demonstrate that the cytoplasm is in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control and telling the DNA what to do (so to speak):   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is concluded that whenever nuclei are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduced experimentally into the cytoplasm of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another cell, they very quickly assume, in nearly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every respect, the nuclear activity characteristic   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the host cell. In many instances, altered   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> function has been demonstrated in nuclei which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequently support normal development." [1]   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, that's because various transcription factors   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and such are in the cytoplasm, having been   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcribed and translated from the previous   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nucleus. Differences between genomes result in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences in expression.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the critical logic: if the direction of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control flow is bi- directional, then to resolve a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chicken- and- egg paradox, we must conclude that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information is initially present in both the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nucleus and extra- nuclear, in effectively digital   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and analogue form respectively.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Digital" and "analog" are empty buzzwords in this   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context. But yes, proteins contain information, if   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's what you mean. But that information is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inherited, over the long term, in the form of DNA.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On what basis do you deem these "empty buzzwords"?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A digital information medium stores heritable   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information in discrete symbolic sequences that are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copied and decoded by rule- based molecular   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machinery. The human genome at 3.2 billion base   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pairs can be simply mapped into 6.4 billion bits of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital information. Are we agreed that DNA can be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurately described as *digital* information?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Along with its chemical and structural/ physical   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> properties and interactions.)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an analogy. It's not a hopeless one, but it's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still an analogy.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not an analogy, it's a legitimate application   
      
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