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|    RonO to MarkE    |
|    Re: Lee Cronin's Assembly Theory    |
|    04 Feb 26 10:46:18    |
      From: rokimoto557@gmail.com              On 1/28/2026 5:15 PM, MarkE wrote:       > A particularly good assessment of Lee Cronin's Assembly Theory:       >       > https://youtu.be/nMJ-_pTykog?si=fO1eCFGG3hd-41h1&t=693       >       https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10978598/              This is a paper that discusses what Assembly theory is "What it does and       does not do."              It really is impractical to apply it to current biomes and evolution of       existing lifeforms. It isn't even applicable past evolution of life.       It requires that you be able to determine what existed at the time and       then determine the possible historical assembly path. Since the       possible materials available for assembly is changing over time you       can't determine the assembly path except over very short periods of time       for which you have some idea of what existed at that time. This just       means that you can't use it to determine the probability of the assembly       path for something like a polypeptide enzyme (simple chain of amino       acids) and you definitely can't use it to assess something like the F0       ATPase complex of multiple polypeptide proteins. You have no idea of       what the original polypeptide sequence was that evolved to have that       enzyme activity. It isn't as simple as trying to figure out what the       sequence is and what the concentrations of each amino acid might have       been in order to create that particular sequence of amino acids. For       extant proteins you have the genetic code to consider, but it isn't just       that. The vast majority of existing proteins have evolved from       preexisting proteins by gene duplication. So you have to figure out       what the original protein sequences were that eventually evolved to have       that enzymatic activity. No one can do this at this time except for       closely related protein families, but these identifiable protein       families likely started from some other protein sequence.              What it seems to be useful for is to determine if some complex molecules       like amino acids and the purines and pyrimidines involved in nucleic       acid are found in higher amounts than expected by random chance. You       may expect these molecules to be present at some low level in a cosmic       dust cloud or planetary atmosphere, but lifeforms assemble these       molecules, so they can be present in the mix of possible molecules at       higher concentrations than the existing concentration of carbon, oxygen,       nitrogen and hydrogen might be responsible for. The assembly paths for       amino acids from the constituent atoms can be determined and the       probability of random chemical activity can be determined if you know       the concentration of component parts, so you may be able to tell if the       concentration of these complex molecules are in a higher abundance than       expected.              It works for simple molecules too. If you found an 20% molecular oxygen       atmosphere around some exoplanet you might conclude that it had aerobic       photosynthetic life. That seems to be the only means to maintain such a       high concentration of molecular oxygen in an atmosphere.              It doesn't seem to be very useful to use to evaluate the evolution of       life on earth. It might be useful to assess the evolution of the first       self replicating molecules if we ever figure out what they were.              Ron Okimoto              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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