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|    MarkE to John Harshman    |
|    Re: Chimp to human evolution - Sandwalk     |
|    05 Feb 26 12:16:21    |
      From: me22over7@gmail.com              On 5/02/2026 5:50 am, John Harshman wrote:       > On 2/4/26 3:59 AM, MarkE wrote:       >> On 4/02/2026 10:32 pm, MarkE wrote:       >>> On 3/02/2026 2:14 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>> On 2/2/26 6:05 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>> On 3/02/2026 12:11 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>> On 2/1/26 6:02 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>> On 2/02/2026 3:44 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>> On 1/31/26 10:18 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>> On 1/02/2026 9:11 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>> On 1/31/26 1:58 AM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2026 2:37 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/30/26 5:26 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2026 5:56 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 9:54 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 3:17 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 7:57 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 2:10 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 6:40 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 12:50 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 5:31 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 11:20 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 3:37 AM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/01/2026 11:41 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/24/26 3:28 AM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/01/2026 1:54 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/26 6:15 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/01/2026 1:31 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/26 9:18 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2026 3:22 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now if you're interested in what makes an       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organism, without much regard for what kind       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of organism, you have a point that the ovum       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has various bits that must be in place in       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to get the process of development       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going, and that there are many interactions       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between cells that are not directly       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by the genome. But the source of       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bits that interact is still the genome,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at first the maternal genome and later the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zygote's.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly all proteins in the cell are produced       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from gene coding. However, doesn't the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following (for example) demonstrate that the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cytoplasm is in control and telling the DNA       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what to do (so to speak):       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is concluded that whenever nuclei are       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduced experimentally into the cytoplasm of       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another cell, they very quickly assume, in       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly every respect, the nuclear activity       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> characteristic of the host cell. In many       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instances, altered function has been       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated in nuclei which subsequently       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support normal development." [1]       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, that's because various transcription       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factors and such are in the cytoplasm, having       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been transcribed and translated from the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous nucleus. Differences between genomes       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result in differences in expression.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the critical logic: if the direction of       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control flow is bi- directional, then to       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolve a chicken- and- egg paradox, we must       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclude that information is initially present       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in both the nucleus and extra- nuclear, in       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively digital and analogue form       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respectively.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Digital" and "analog" are empty buzzwords in       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this context. But yes, proteins contain       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, if that's what you mean. But that       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information is inherited, over the long term, in       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the form of DNA.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On what basis do you deem these "empty buzzwords"?       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A digital information medium stores heritable       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information in discrete symbolic sequences that       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are copied and decoded by rule- based molecular       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machinery. The human genome at 3.2 billion base       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pairs can be simply mapped into 6.4 billion bits              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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