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|    Re: Chimp to human evolution - Sandwalk     |
|    05 Feb 26 12:33:00    |
      From: me22over7@gmail.com              On 5/02/2026 12:16 pm, MarkE wrote:       > On 5/02/2026 5:50 am, John Harshman wrote:       >> On 2/4/26 3:59 AM, MarkE wrote:       >>> On 4/02/2026 10:32 pm, MarkE wrote:       >>>> On 3/02/2026 2:14 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>> On 2/2/26 6:05 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>> On 3/02/2026 12:11 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>> On 2/1/26 6:02 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>> On 2/02/2026 3:44 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>> On 1/31/26 10:18 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>> On 1/02/2026 9:11 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/31/26 1:58 AM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2026 2:37 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/30/26 5:26 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2026 5:56 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 9:54 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 3:17 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 7:57 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 2:10 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 6:40 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 12:50 pm, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 5:31 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/01/2026 11:20 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/26 3:37 AM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/01/2026 11:41 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/24/26 3:28 AM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/01/2026 1:54 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/26 6:15 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/01/2026 1:31 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/26 9:18 PM, MarkE wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2026 3:22 am, John Harshman wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now if you're interested in what makes an       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organism, without much regard for what kind       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of organism, you have a point that the ovum       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has various bits that must be in place in       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to get the process of development       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going, and that there are many interactions       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between cells that are not directly       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by the genome. But the source of       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bits that interact is still the genome,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at first the maternal genome and later the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zygote's.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly all proteins in the cell are       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produced from gene coding. However, doesn't       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the following (for example) demonstrate that       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cytoplasm is in control and telling the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DNA what to do (so to speak):       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is concluded that whenever nuclei are       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduced experimentally into the cytoplasm       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of another cell, they very quickly assume, in       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly every respect, the nuclear activity       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> characteristic of the host cell. In many       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instances, altered function has been       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated in nuclei which subsequently       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support normal development." [1]       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, that's because various transcription       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factors and such are in the cytoplasm, having       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been transcribed and translated from the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous nucleus. Differences between genomes       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result in differences in expression.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the critical logic: if the direction of       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control flow is bi- directional, then to       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolve a chicken- and- egg paradox, we must       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclude that information is initially present       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in both the nucleus and extra- nuclear, in       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively digital and analogue form       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respectively.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Digital" and "analog" are empty buzzwords in       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this context. But yes, proteins contain       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, if that's what you mean. But that       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information is inherited, over the long term,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the form of DNA.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On what basis do you deem these "empty buzzwords"?       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A digital information medium stores heritable       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information in discrete symbolic sequences that       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are copied and decoded by rule- based molecular       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machinery. The human genome at 3.2 billion base              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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