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|    The problem of persistence of plausible     |
|    07 Feb 26 16:34:31    |
      From: me22over7@gmail.com              The following seems to be a significant challenge for the naturalistic       origin of life. Thoughts?              PROCESS              OoL assumes a progression from simple inorganic chemicals to a       population of protocells and then on to the first population of       free-living cells (pre-LUCA).              Protocells provide encapsulation, replication and heritable variation,       but are not "alive" in that they require feedstock supplies from the       environment. The feedstock dependence tapers from protocells to pre-LUCA.              ENVIRONMENT              This process of chemical evolution and then Darwinian evolution requires       the environment to supply nucleotides, lipids, sugars, amino acids,       polyphosphates, metal ions, etc, in certain concentrations, with       substantial homochirality, etc.              The environment must also provide sufficient temperature stability, pH,       mechanical agitation, structure (e.g. niche separation), wet/dry       cycling, feedstock recycling, waste removal, etc.              LINEAGE              OoL assumes countless locations working in parallel as described,       possibly with localised cross-pollination. However, there must be an       unbroken lineage (or lineages) to from start to finish. Which implies       the persistence and stability of the environmental requirements described.              TIME              How long would this lineage need? One million years? One thousand years?       100 million years?              PROBLEM              What geological situation on the early Earth could provide the       continuous, stable environment required for the duration needed? Even as       little as one thousand years is long for a suitable system of geothermal       ponds that is *uninterrupted* by any sterilisation/reset events.              Polymers such as RNA break down over hours to decades depending on       environment. Freezing or drying may extend lifetimes but also pause       evolution. In any case, when active, continuous replication is required       for renewal before decomposition.              1,000 years from chemicals to cells seems impossibly short. And 100,000       years for the nursery required seems impossibly long.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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