From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 2/16/2026 6:01 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:   
   > On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 13:56:19 -0600   
   > RonO  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2/15/2026 10:58 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>> On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 14:03:13 -0600, RonO  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2/9/2026 6:03 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sat, 7 Feb 2026 12:14:27 -0600, RonO  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> [...]   
   >>   
   > this really isn't about origins. Maybe you two could take this to a   
   > religion group? or recognise no-one is budging an inch.   
   >   
      
   The sad thing is that it is relevant to what is being discussed in this   
   thread.  These are the lies that creationists like Harran, MarkE and   
   Sticks have to tell themselves about Biblical interpretation and what   
   the actual creation is.  All of them have to deny the past failures of   
   the Bible to describe nature accurately, and for creationists that   
   believe that nature is the Biblical creation they can't live with the   
   past failure.  They have to live in denial of the failure.  They lack   
   the faith in their religious beliefs to give up on what the Bible   
   misleads them about in terms of the creation that actually exists.  They   
   all just want to believe that the Bible has been misinterpreted, but   
   they don't agree about the degree of misinterpretation.  Sticks still   
   wants to believe some of the young earth creationists Biblical beliefs.   
   MarkE is likely some type of old earth creationist, but he hasn't given   
   up on the Biblical order of creation.  He is in the same boat as the   
   reason to believe old earth day for age creationists.  They can't accept   
   that the order of creation is not what is depicted in the Bible.  They   
   are even willing to rewrite parts of the Bible so that the Sun and Moon   
   do not have to be created on the 3rd day, but were only "made visible"   
   on the third day when the Bible only uses the word for "made" or "make"   
   to describe the creation of the sun and moon on the 3rd day.  The stupid   
   thing is that their god would have been the only being that would be   
   able to see the sun and moon for billions of years before plants were   
   created on the earth.  The sun and moon would have never been invisible   
   to their god.   
      
   Harrans denial is the same, and the only reason that the denial is   
   maintained is to support their other Biblical beliefs.  Harran, MarkE,   
   and Sticks have not given up on science supporting their Biblical   
   beliefs when they should all know that science has not and will likely   
   never support those Biblical beliefs.  All the past failures should have   
   made them understand that fact, but they still can't give up on the   
   notion.  Harran gets conned by Books like the one he discussed in this   
   thread because he still thinks that science can support his Biblical   
   beliefs when the exact opposite has always been true.  The sad fact is   
   that nature was understood not to be Biblical by the early church.  None   
   of the church fathers was a flat earth Biblical creationist.  Harran put   
   up Origen's non Biblical creation beliefs in this thread.  That doesn't   
   seem to matter because we have flat earth and geocentric Biblical   
   creationists existing to this day.  We still have Biblical creationists   
   like Harran, MarkE and Sticks.  Both MarkE and Sticks are anti evolution   
   because of the Biblical beliefs that have never been supported by the   
   creation that actually exists.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)