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   Kerr-Mudd, John to Vincent Maycock   
   Re: Hossenfelder, Tour, Benner   
   20 Feb 26 16:00:26   
   
   From: admin@127.0.0.1   
      
   On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 05:46:33 -0800   
   Vincent Maycock  wrote:   
      
   > On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 09:59:02 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   > >On Wed, 18 Feb 2026 20:46:44 -0800   
   > >Vincent Maycock  wrote:   
   > >   
   > >> On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 14:11:15 +1100, MarkE  wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >>    
   > >>   
   > >> >"How" options include:   
   > >> >   
   > >> >2.a. God, e.g. "And God said, 'Let there be light," and there was light"   
   > >> >   
   > >> >2.b. An impersonal non-material agent/causality   
   > >> >   
   > >> >Note the category distinction between *Why* is there a universe? and   
   > >> >*How* did the universe come to be?   
   > >>   
   > >> So why *is* there a universe, in your view?  To kill people in the   
   > >> vastness of outer space? That would certainly fit with the known   
   > >> abundance of space available to accomplish this.  And how do you know   
   > >> God would prefer a universe of light rather than darkness?   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >Gods like people; they're the only one's who can do the worshipping -   
   > >but it does seem quite a convoluted effort to make a universe (just right,   
   > >or lots of them) 13.8 billions years ago and then have to wait 4.5   
   > >billion years for one planet around a mediocre sun on a disregraded limb of   
   > >an undistinguished galaxy to cool down, evolve life, destroy quite a few   
   > >promising species, and eventually get an intelligent enough ape.   
   > >   
   > >I'm with William of Ockham here. (in case there's any doubt!)   
   > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham   
   >   
   > Yeah, "It happened and by the way God did it" is scarcely better than   
   > "It happened therefore we have to conclude that God it."   
   >   
   My point is that MarkE's God "Hypothesis" doesn't bear even a cursory test   
   for science.   
      
   And "Science Can't Prove How Everything Works" is a complete   
   misunderstanding of what the point of it is. (egg-sucking for Grandmas   
   101: : It's to try to understand how things work; not just say "I dunno, a   
   god must've done it".)   
      
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   Bah, and indeed Humbug.   
      
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