From: {$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk   
      
   On 23/02/2026 15:00, John Harshman wrote:   
   >   
   > Now, I would say that there are many bits of evidence that, to an   
   > unbiased observer, would suggest heliocentrism even in the absence of   
   > Kepler's model. There's the fact that Mercury and Venus never get far   
   > from the sun, the observation that elsewhere in the solar system, the   
   > smaller body goes around the larger, as with earth's and Jupiter's   
   > moons, the observation that the fixed stars resemble faraway suns, and   
   > that their diurnal "motion" seems quite different from the annual and   
   > longer patterns of the sun and planets, etc. Even in the absence of   
   > Newton and a theory of how gravity operates, the conclusion seems fairly   
   > clear.   
      
   Add the phases of Mercury and Venus to the list.   
      
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   alias Ernest Major   
      
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