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   From: sl@mbams.ter   
      
   M_P wrote:   
   > On Mar 16, 3:27 pm, M_P  wrote:   
   >> On Mar 15, 2:45 pm, Steven Douglas  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> On Mar 14, 8:42 pm, Dani  wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:30:07 -0800 (PST), Steven Douglas   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>> Do you deny that the majority of alcohol users are responsible drinkers?   
   >>>>> I don't accept the comparison of alcohol to cocaine.   
   >>>> Sorry to say, Steven...but if the above is how you really feel then   
   >>>> you've never watched anyone struggle and fight their way through   
   >>>> Alcoholism; you've never known a true Alcoholic.  Because if you did?   
   >>>> If you had real-life experience with the demon, you would never state   
   >>>> the above.   
   >>> You've taken my response -- which was to to the above question -- out   
   >>> of context. The person who asked me that question correctly implied   
   >>> that most alcohol users drink responsibly. But the underlying point in   
   >>> his question was that an equally high ratio of cocaine users would use   
   cocaine responsibly if cocaine was also legal. And that's where I   
   >>> disagree.   
   >>> I know alcohol can be tragic for those who become addicted to it. I'm   
   >>> not trying to diminish that fact. What I am saying is that cocaine is   
   >>> far more highly addictive than alcohol is. That's not just my opinion   
   >>> (which is based on my own personal observations of people who were   
   >>> addicted to both cocaine and alcohol), but it is the opinion of a   
   >>> professor who has decades of real world experience:   
   >>> [quoting] Dr. Herbert Kleber, a professor of psychiatry at Columbia   
   >>> University College of Physicians and Surgeons, and one of the nation's   
   >>> leading authorities on addiction, stated in a 1994 article in the New   
   >>> England Journal of Medicine that clinical data support the premise   
   >>> that drug use would increase with legalization.   
   >> Of course, none of the data he actually cites is clinical data. And   
   >> his conclusions don't follow from the data he does cite; there are   
   >> many differences between cocaine and alcohol other than their legal   
   >> status ... the latter may have more addicts because people prefer   
   >> relaxants to stimulants, or simply because people don't like putting   
   >> things in their noses.   
   >   
   > Up against Dr. Kleber's transparent nonsense we have this: Research   
   > cited by the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine shows   
   > that of all those who   
   > have used alcohol 15% have at some point been dependent, whereas the   
   > corresponding figure for cocaine is an only slightly higher 17%.   
      
   so the messiah is 32% dependant, if you add them up.   
      
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