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   Message 69,709 of 71,631   
   B Sellers to johannes   
   Re: U.N. war on drugs seen failing to cu   
   10 Apr 09 07:56:36   
   
   XPost: uk.legal, uk.politics.drugs   
   From: bliss@sfo.com   
      
   johannes wrote:   
   >   
   > Pete nospam Zakel wrote:   
   >> In article <49D7162E.A976327F@size436464778fitter.com> johannes   
    writes:   
   >>> M_P wrote:   
   >>>> On Mar 10, 12:05 pm, Dr John Watson    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>> "There is little evidence that controls can reduce total global   
   production   
   >>>>> ... (or) for trafficking. Production and trafficking controls only   
   >>>>> redistributed activities. Enforcement against local markets failed in   
   most   
   >>>>> countries."   
   >>>> The prohibitionists' answer will be that we just need to do more of   
   >>>> what's not working. What's the definition of insanity, again?   
   >>> 'Not working' doesn't mean: Not working; that's too literal. It just   
   >>> means that some drugs might still get through. Enforcement hasn't failed.   
   >>> Try smuggling drugs into far East countries, and it's well know that you   
   >>> lose your life at the gallows or firing squad.   
   >> According to the reports I've seen, interdiction efforts get about 10% of   
   the   
   >> drugs coming in, and the price has not gone up.   
   >>   
   >> Sounds like literally "not working" to me.   
   >>   
   >> And even in the Far East countries lots of drugs get in.  Some people lose   
   >> their life, and others step in to take their place because the profits   
   >> guaranteed by prohibition make the risk worth it for a lot of people.   
   >>   
   >> Remove prohibition and standard market forces will result in competition and   
   >> lower prices, and regulation will ensure that people aren't selling talcum   
   >> powder or rat poison when the package says "cocaine".  Cost of enforcing   
   >> non-enforceable laws will go down, and tax revenue will go up.   
   >   
   > So lower prices will result in more drug users; more drug addicts who expects   
   > to be cared for by everybody else. Or will drugs be taxed to prevent overuse,   
   > in which case drug users will continue to steal and burgle to fund their   
   > addictive habit. Which is it?   
      
   	Not all illegal drugs are addictive.  But if people are addicted   
   under a regulation model instead of a punitive prohibition   
   model they could have the drugs they needed supplied by their   
   private physician or a public clinic.  Very few would need to steal   
   to get money for their pharmaceutical requirements because they   
   wouldn't be dismissed any sooner than the alcoholic who has a   
   wee drinkie in the morning to calm his stomach, goes out on a smoking   
   break and has a wee drink at the bar, goes to lunch and has a couple   
   of martoonies with the boss or with clients or co-workers and goes   
   back with coffee to stay awake during the afternoon until he can   
   get to the cocktail lounge at 5 to unwind with something substantial   
   in the way of liquid intake.   
      
   	Or the present employed drug user of tobacco who has coffee and a   
   cigarette on arising and on the way to work another set.  Smoking   
   break comes too seldom but it comes and the same set of coffee   
   and tobacco is repeated at intervals during the day.   
      
   	So drug addicts work and can work very hard with the right   
   drugs.  The Chinese had no objection to the coolies smoking after   
   work that we can scarcely imagine but when it got up to the Mandarin   
   classes they attempted to suppress it.  That refers to the 19th   
   Century when China was still an Empire.  One other reason was that   
   the British(mostly) were selling opium in China to get the gold   
   that was the Imperial property.   
      
   	But I digress.  Addiction is not incompatible with earning   
   a wage adequate to provide for chemical stress relief.   
      
   	later   
   	bliss   
      
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     bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco   
      
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   	It is by the beans of cacao that the thoughts acquire speed,   
   	the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.   
   	It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion.   
   	 --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.   
      
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