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From: bliss@sfo.com
elizabeth wrote:
> On May 29, 3:35 pm, B Sellers wrote:
>> M_P wrote:
>>> On May 28, 8:37 pm, elizabeth wrote:
>>>> On May 28, 3:48 pm, px...@cadence.com (Pete nospam Zakel) wrote:
>>>>> In article <5c171e9a-86bd-4bac-8c66-7b3d97bda...@w40g2000y
d.googlegroups.com> elizabeth writes:
>>>>>> I would legalize growing and consuming, but not buying or selling.
>>>>> If you do not legalize buying and selling you will still have a black
market.
>>>> WRong. It's not the "black market" that is the problem, it's
>>>> organized crime that is the problem with pot in California.
>>> And when the market is "black" organized crime will step in ... which
>>> is why buying and selling need to be legalized.
>> The money to be made in black markets is exactly why organized
>> crime dominates. Not everyone is in a position to grow cannabis
>> either for themselves or to trade with others due to cramped quarters
>> and the present legal climate that makes even the smallest grow spaces
>> a severe legal liability.
>>
>> Anarchist idealism is all very well but the facts of the matter are
>> beyond the comprehension of the mind snared in self-defeating
>> idealism. We need the organizations working on
>> the behalf of the users of the illegalized substances.
>> Those of us who want to change the present laws which by damaging
>> individuals and families, damages society. Society is poorly
>> served by laws that empower the criminal elements and which
>> led to the corruption of the authorities as the present law
>> does so often with the vast profits available from traffic
>> in illegal substances,
>>
>> later
>> bliss
>
> Hmmm. I live in SF, one of the most crowded cities in the usa. I
> grow on a roof outside my window. I'm not the only one doing it. No
> electric bills my way. Very green; my plants convert greenhouse gases
> ya know!
Who has sun outside their windows? Not a lot of people.
I happen to live in SF myself, by the way. Your attacks
on people of goodwill who arose your ire apparently because they
don't give their merchandise away merely makes you look bad.
>
> Those "organizations" are pimps, esp those "medical marijuana patient
> advocates" They are working on their own behalf. They've been about
> as useful as tits on a bull here. They don't give a flying fuck about
> sick people who need medication, they want to pretend to care so they
> can expand their criminal operations, while pretending to be Mother
> Teresa. Feh.
That is just your opinion, Elizabeth.
Baloney without people in the movement organizing you would be
busted as fast as my g/f in Berkeley was in the 1970s for a single
plant growing in her living room window, The people you complain
about take risks on behalf of patients and if you would put your nose
into the Drug War Chronicle as posted here and into their on line
archives you would know the risks patient advocates run.
>
> Growing your own pot to put the drugthugs is very doable. You just
> have to want to. Of course, those "organizations" will tell you that
> you can't, and that they will help you . . .when? We passed 215 13
> years ago. Still no improvement, and organized crime already muscled
> their way into the clubs, with the help of "patient advocates," drug
> lawyers, and greedy politicians.
Your naivety is laughable.
>
> And before you get upset, the DEA already know I grow. I told them.
> The SFPD know I grow. I told them. Sometimes the people holding you
> in thrall are doing so because you let them.
Sometimes they don't care what people out of touch with reality do or
merely discount their confessions.
later
bliss
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