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   XPost: alt.politics, alt.politics.usa   
   From: bliss@sfo.com   
      
   elizabeth wrote:   
   > On May 29, 5:04 pm, B Sellers  wrote:   
   >> elizabeth wrote:   
   >>> On May 29, 3:35 pm, B Sellers  wrote:   
   >>>> M_P wrote:   
   >>>>> On May 28, 8:37 pm, elizabeth  wrote:   
   >>>>>> On May 28, 3:48 pm, px...@cadence.com (Pete nospam Zakel) wrote:   
   >>>>>>> In article <5c171e9a-86bd-4bac-8c66-7b3d97bda...@w40g200   
   yqd.googlegroups.com> elizabeth  writes:   
   >>>>>>>> I would legalize growing and consuming, but not buying or selling.   
   >>>>>>> If you do not legalize buying and selling you will still have a black   
   market.   
   >>>>>> WRong.  It's not the "black market" that is the problem, it's   
   >>>>>> organized crime that is the problem with pot in California.   
   >>>>> And when the market is "black" organized crime will step in ... which   
   >>>>> is why buying and selling need to be legalized.   
   >>>>         The money to be made in black markets is exactly why organized   
   >>>> crime dominates.  Not everyone is in a position to grow cannabis   
   >>>> either for themselves or to trade with others due to cramped quarters   
   >>>> and the present legal climate that makes even the smallest grow spaces   
   >>>> a severe legal liability.   
   >>>>         Anarchist idealism is all very well but the facts of the matter   
   are   
   >>>> beyond the comprehension of the mind snared in self-defeating   
   >>>> idealism.  We need the organizations working on   
   >>>> the behalf of the users of the illegalized substances.   
   >>>> Those of us who want to change the present laws which by damaging   
   >>>> individuals and families, damages society.  Society is poorly   
   >>>> served by laws that empower the criminal elements and which   
   >>>> led to the corruption of the authorities as the present law   
   >>>> does so often with the vast profits available from traffic   
   >>>> in illegal substances,   
   >>>>         later   
   >>>>         bliss   
   >>> Hmmm.  I live in SF, one of the most crowded cities in the usa.  I   
   >>> grow on a roof outside my window.  I'm not the only one doing it.  No   
   >>> electric bills my way.  Very green; my plants convert greenhouse gases   
   >>> ya know!   
   >   
   > Do you live in the Sunset, or what?   
   >   
   >>         Who has sun outside their windows?  Not a lot of people..   
   >   
   > Plenty of folks do.  And there are lots of rooftops.  It's not my   
   > fault that the developers keep putting up collapsible glass ratcages   
   > that block the sun.  Kinda makes roof gardens and solar panels   
   > useless . . . but I have lived here long enough to know what   
   > mendacious assholes our political leaders are here.  In fact, one of   
   > our more useless commissions now wants to promote roof gardens,   
   > because, you see, we have less than half the amount of open space per   
   > resident that we're supposed to have.  So now, median dividers, wide   
   > sidewalks and plazas count the same as parks.  And they want to give   
   > city money to rooftop gardens, to make up the difference.  Me, I'd   
   > rather knock down all the overbuilding, but Diane FineSwine never   
   > listened to me.   
   >   
   >>         I happen to live in SF myself, by the way.   
   >   
   > Then you can grow if you want, as long as you are a patient.  This is   
   > one of the few places where the cops will let you alone if you do.  Of   
   > course, I am aquainted with a few influential people.  I used to do   
   > political volunteering.  You are aware that Tony Ribera wanted to let   
   > the SFPD turn over all weed, all grow equipment the SFPD confiscated?   
   > I submitted some plans to the Police Commission, about the loopholes   
   > in Federal law.  Even that nasty Peter Keane who was a Commish at the   
   > time had to agree with my legal reasoning!   
   >   
   > It took me a bit of work to find this place, but even if you don't   
   > have sunshine to use, closets are most useful.  Because I've been   
   > getting away with it, I know of a lot of others who are following my   
   > lead.  You do have to be somewhat discrete, of course, because   
   > poachers are out there.  You have to be careful of the sightlines when   
   > growing in the open because of the poachers, not the local cops.  That   
   > is, if you are like me, a legit patient with a clean criminal   
   > record.   
   >   
   >>  Your attacks   
   >> on people of goodwill   
   >   
   > Oh, go fuck yourself.  I don't know, and you can't know, the level of   
   > goodwill out there.  Speak for yourself.  If you are of goodwill, try   
   > proving it and stop whining.  If I offended you, perhaps you should   
   > take a loot at yourself, and ask why I hit your nerve so hard.  I've   
   > seen too goddamned many people of illwill in the pot thang to trust   
   > many of the self appointed leaders.  AFAIC if you ain't growing, shut   
   > the fuck up already.  I grow my own, and share with friends who share   
   > their surpluses of stuff I need.  You sound like Wayne Justman or that   
   > tacky tramp Shona, who want to be the Big Kahuna and everyone else has   
   > to pay homage to their wonderfulness.  They are just weinies with   
   > control issues.  Ken Hayes was the only "leader" who was actually   
   > walking the walk that I ever encountered.  Why do you think Hallinan   
   > got rid of him?  Hallinan's best buddy, Adario, was a 25 year DEA   
   > man.  Hallinan hasn't tried a case in decades, and he's always been   
   > ready to make a deal with anyone.  He was the biggest disaster our   
   > DA"s office ever had.  He dropped murder cases, let the gangbangers   
   > loose, let wife abusers out immediately, which resulted in a few   
   > murders and a lot of beatings to women trying to get help.   
   >   
   > And now we have Harris, the STDA, she got her job by fucking Willie   
   > Brown, and she's a great Public Defender herself.  And what have   
   > either of them done for patients?  Other than extorting money from   
   > dispensaries, none of the legal beagles out here have done exactly   
   > BUPKUS for patients.  If you call them of good will, then fuck you and   
   > fuck your mother.   
   >   
   >> who arose your ire apparently   
   >   
   > Apparently you feel you can read minds and tell the subjective   
   > emotional state of someone you've never even met.   
   > Paging Dr Freud!  Projection Emergency!   
   >   
   >> because they   
   >> don't give their merchandise away merely makes you look bad.   
   >   
   > Oh, go fuck yourself, fuck your mother, fuck your dog, and fuck your   
   > descendants for all eternity.  The clubs that did take care of   
   > patients were forced out of business by those "goodwillians" you seem   
   > to admire.  Thanks to Jerkarimi and Bevan "The Queer Quisling" Dufty,   
   > the fees charged for no good reason mean that the clubs that remain   
   > can't afford to meet their bills.  You call that good will?   
   >   
   > This is why I don't give a fuck what you think of me.  This is why   
   > it's pretty "apparent" you are projecting quite a bit more than you   
   > will ever dare admit to.   
   >   
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   >>   
   >>> Those "organizations" are pimps, esp those "medical marijuana patient   
      
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