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   From: bliss@sfo.com   
      
   M_P wrote:   
   > On Sep 17, 12:57 pm, "Jerry Okamura"    
   > wrote:   
   >> "M_P"  wrote in message   
   >> news:69c11b69-53d3-4c66-a560-6778978194e6@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com...   
   >>> On Sep 16, 7:55 pm, "Jerry Okamura"  wrote:   
   >>>> "M_P"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:a9b74f3f-2c77-4f60-86bb-7beddb4e0b00@31g2000vbf.googlegroups.com....   
   >>>>> On Sep 15, 6:53 pm, "Jerry Okamura"  wrote:   
   >>>>>> "M_P"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>> news:90d94761-cf0a-4e8b-8f13-00acd4d6ed06@d21g2000vbm.goo   
   legroups..com...   
   >>>>>>> On Sep 15, 11:56 am, "Jerry Okamura"    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>>>> I am generally in favor of legalizing what are now illegal drugs.   
   >>>>>>>> But   
   >>>>>>>> before we do that, if we ever do that, I would like to spend the   
   >>>>>>>> time   
   >>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>> learn all of the advantages and disadvantages, before making a   
   >>>>>>>> final   
   >>>>>>>> decision.   
   >>>>>>> What possible disadvantages do you think the quoted article missed?   
   >>>>>> Will the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.   
   >>>>> As the text you've deleted persuasively argues, the "disadvantages"   
   >>>>> are largely illusory.   
   >>>> Is that so? Well, let me see. If you legalize the use of drugs, then more   
   >>>> people will use drugs.   
   >>> The available evidence is against you; to repeat: "In the UK, as in   
   >>> many countries, the real clampdown on drugs started in the late 1960s,   
   >>> yet government statistics show that the number of heroin or cocaine   
   >>> addicts seen by the health service has grown ever since [...] look at   
   >>> whether fewer people use drugs in countries with stricter drug laws.   
   >>> In 2008, the World Health Organization looked at 17 countries and   
   >>> found no such correlation. [...] While dealing remains illegal in   
   >>> Portugal, personal use of all drugs has been decriminalised. The   
   >>> result? Drug use has stayed roughly constant"   
   >>>   
   >> Which is not relevant to what I said.   
   >   
   > Every bit of it weighs against what you claimed.   
   >   
   >>>> We already know what happens with alcohol and   
   >>>> tobacco,   
   >>> Who's "we" - you and the mouse in your pocket? What is it you think   
   >>> "happens with alcohol and tobacco" - and what is your evidence for so   
   >>> thinking?   
   >>>   
   >> My evidence is simple.  Is there no one drinking alcohol or smoking a   
   cigarette?   
   >   
   > Was there no one drinking alcohol when alcohol was illegal? Since   
   > people consume whether the substance is legal or illegal, there's no   
   > argument there for keeping it illegal.   
      
   	A very good argument relates to the poisonous alcoholic beverages   
   produced and consumed to the detriment of the users during the   
   Prohibition   
   of Alcohol in the USA.   
   	The Saint Valentine's day massacre in Chicago is another good   
   argument   
   against the Prohibition of Alcohol.   
      
   	But the violence connected to the Prohibition of the other popular   
   drugs is always blamed on the Drugs not as it should be on the   
   Prohibition   
   which creates the black market to service the desires of the   
   populace.   
      
   >   
   >>>> so why do you think it would not happen with drugs?   
   >> I don't.  If drugs are legal, I would suspect more people will use these   
   >> drugs, which was my point.   
   >   
   > You have yet to provide any evidence for your suspicion, whereas   
   > evidence to the contrary is already on the table.   
      
      
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