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   XPost: talk.politics.libertarian, alt.drugs, alt.politics.libertarian   
   From: okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com   
      
   "M_P"  wrote in message   
   news:32048a68-839c-441b-8aac-0ea8f80b7bac@d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...   
   On Sep 17, 6:31 pm, "Jerry Okamura"  wrote:   
   > "M_P"  wrote in message   
   > news:98f7c728-8c68-479b-886e-8ab8438a4e49@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...   
   > On Sep 17, 12:57 pm, "Jerry Okamura"    
   > > wrote:   
   > > > "M_P"  wrote in message   
   > > >news:69c11b69-53d3-4c66-a560-6778978194e6@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com...   
   > > > > On Sep 16, 7:55 pm, "Jerry Okamura"    
   > > > > wrote:   
   > > > > > "M_P"  wrote in message   
   > > > > >news:a9b74f3f-2c77-4f60-86bb-7beddb4e0b00@31g2000vbf.go   
   glegroups.com...   
   > > > > > > On Sep 15, 6:53 pm, "Jerry Okamura"    
   > > > > > > wrote:   
   > > > > > > > "M_P"  wrote in message   
   > > > > > > >news:90d94761-cf0a-4e8b-8f13-00acd4d6ed06@d21g2000v   
   m.googlegroups.com...   
   > > > > > > >> On Sep 15, 11:56 am, "Jerry Okamura"   
   > > > > > > >>    
   > > > > > > >> wrote:   
      
   > > > > > > >> > I am generally in favor of legalizing what are now illegal   
   > > > > > > >> > drugs.   
   > > > > > > >> > But   
   > > > > > > >> > before we do that, if we ever do that, I would like to   
   > > > > > > >> > spend   
   > > > > > > >> > the   
   > > > > > > >> > time   
   > > > > > > >> > to   
   > > > > > > >> > learn all of the advantages and disadvantages, before   
   > > > > > > >> > making a   
   > > > > > > >> > final   
   > > > > > > >> > decision.   
   > >   
   > > > > > > >> What possible disadvantages do you think the quoted article   
   > > > > > > >> missed?   
   > >   
   > > > > > > > Will the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.   
   > >   
   > > > > > > As the text you've deleted persuasively argues, the   
   > > > > > > "disadvantages"   
   > > > > > > are largely illusory.   
   > >   
   > > > > > Is that so? Well, let me see. If you legalize the use of drugs,   
   > > > > > then   
   > > > > > more   
   > > > > > people will use drugs.   
   > >   
   > > > > The available evidence is against you; to repeat: "In the UK, as in   
   > > > > many countries, the real clampdown on drugs started in the late   
   > > > > 1960s,   
   > > > > yet government statistics show that the number of heroin or cocaine   
   > > > > addicts seen by the health service has grown ever since [...] look   
   > > > > at   
   > > > > whether fewer people use drugs in countries with stricter drug laws.   
   > > > > In 2008, the World Health Organization looked at 17 countries and   
   > > > > found no such correlation. [...] While dealing remains illegal in   
   > > > > Portugal, personal use of all drugs has been decriminalised. The   
   > > > > result? Drug use has stayed roughly constant"   
   > >   
   > > > Which is not relevant to what I said.   
   > >   
   > > Every bit of it weighs against what you claimed.   
   > >   
   > > No it did not.  It agreed with what I said.   
      
   Number of addicts has grown … no correlation between countries' drug   
   laws and their drug use … no rise in drug use when drug use is   
   decriminalized … that AGREES with "If you legalize the use of drugs,   
   then more people will use drugs"?!? You must be living in some sort of   
   Alice in Wonderland world.   
      
   So, the number of addicts have grown, so what?  The number of people who   
   drink alcohol is greater when it is legal, then when it is not legal.   
      
   > > > > > We already know what happens with alcohol and   
   > > > > > tobacco,   
   > >   
   > > > > Who's "we" - you and the mouse in your pocket? What is it you think   
   > > > > "happens with alcohol and tobacco" - and what is your evidence for   
   > > > > so   
   > > > > thinking?   
   > >   
   > > > My evidence is simple.  Is there no one drinking alcohol or smoking a   
   > > > cigarette?   
   > >   
   > > Was there no one drinking alcohol when alcohol was illegal? Since   
   > > people consume whether the substance is legal or illegal, there's no   
   > > argument there for keeping it illegal.   
   >   
   > I would generally agree with that.   
      
   So what if anything is left of your point regarding alcohol and   
   tobacco?   
      
   > > > > > so why do you think it would not happen with drugs?   
   > >   
   > > > I don't.  If drugs are legal, I would suspect more people will use   
   > > > these   
   > > > drugs, which was my point.   
   > >   
   > > You have yet to provide any evidence for your suspicion, whereas   
   > > evidence to the contrary is already on the table.   
   >   
   > You must be living in some sort of Alice in Wonderland world.   
      
   See above re Alice.   
      
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