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   XPost: alt.activism.drug-war, alt.drugs.psychedelics   
   From: bliss@sfo.com   
      
   On 07/06/2010 04:49 AM, Spencer Spindrift wrote:   
   > On Jul 2, 9:10 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the   
   > Movement of Tantra-Hammock"  wrote:   
   >> On Jul 2, 3:07 pm, Sir Loin  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 2010-07-02 08:13, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the   
   >>   
   >>> Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:   
   >>>> Just the last incident I witnessed: The cops stop this young teenager   
   >>>> for trafficking and he swallows the coke. Result? He dies...   
   >>   
   >>>> I mean "SOMEONE" must be behind all those stupid "MORALIZING" policies   
   >>>> that TERRORIZE THE POPULATION, OVERFLOW OUR PRISONS, GLAMORIZE DRUGS&   
   >>>> MAKE MEXICO, EL SALVADOR, COLOMBIA, AFGHANISTAN... ALL WAR ZONES.   
   >>   
   >>>> I know they all create BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES for some, but that's not   
   >>>> usually the decent guy.   
   >>   
   >>>> Have the Christians noticed we have a FAILED, CRIMINAL POLICY in our   
   >>>> hands, or they just do like the THREE WISE MONKEYS?   
      
   	They blame the drugs not the policy.  Easily satified with poor   
   explanations   
   and believe that specific illegal drugs cause violence.   
      
   >>   
   >>> The problem with your theory is that the countries with the harshest   
   >>> drug laws in the world tend to be Muslim (Turkey, Saudi Arabia), and   
   >>> Buddhist (Singapore, China).   
      
   	That is part of the proof to the West that they are not like the   
   drug-addled   
   Ottoman Empire on the part of the Muslims.  The Buddhists picked up the   
   idea of strict prohibition from the fall of the Chinese Empire when even the   
   Emperor ended up with a bad habit.   Then the Japanese proceed to to drink   
   themselves sick.   Alcohol is a very bad habit but the West drank like   
   fishes so it must be good.   
      
   >>   
   >> I don't argue that the Christians are any better than the Muslims.   
   >> Different strategy for different problem, but our consumption makes   
   >> our strategy so much worse.   
   >>   
   >> China uses not a Buddhist law, but a Communist law, and Singapore is   
   >> probably interested in the safety of its people at any cost.   
      
   	All those governments and the peoples are infused with Neo-Confucian   
   ideas of government and the result is what we see in those nations.  More   
   dependence on the group and more willingness on the part of the individual   
   to subject themselves and their opinions to group approval.  In Japan this   
   has been conducive to a less violent atmosphere in general.   
      
      
   >   
   > But there are still some Buddhists in China. What are those martial   
   > arts monks called?   
      
   	Shao-Lin Temple monks and we have a Shao-lin (sic) center in   
   San Francisco and demos on frequently on view including the traditional   
     weapons in Union Square.   
   	Maybe this is cultural outreach thing.   
      
   	Armed and militant Buddhist monks in Japan were one of the forces   
   that kept the nation from unification.  Both Nobunaga and Ieyasu subjected   
   them to severe remonstrations,  After you wipe out a monastery people   
   begin to think you are very serious about your goals.   
      
   > Singapore was beautifully described by William Gibson as "Disneyland   
   > with the Death Penalty"   
      
   	I am sure.   
      
   	later   
   	bliss   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)