From: bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com   
      
   On 06/20/2016 08:45 AM, Governor Swill wrote:   
      
   to the following newsgroups, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,   
   alt.politics.republicans, soc.culture.usa   
   and talk.politics.misc which I trimmed and mention   
   here as evidence of the trolling intent.   
      
   > On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 16:50:17 -0400, Mr. B1ack    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 22:45:27 -0500, "Byker"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> "Frank"  wrote in message news:njq0k7$olh$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Similar to the heroin problem where current solution is to get out more OD   
   >>>> kits.   
   >>>   
   >>> Why don't they just sell methadone over-the-counter...   
   >>   
   >>   People get high on methadone. Unfortunately they   
   >>   also get very dead on methadone. Janis Joplin   
   >>   reportedly OD'd on it amongst other notables.   
   >   
   > She od'd on heroin.   
      
   	that is how I recall it, but she, like a friend of mine,   
   may have been on methadone and booze as well.  This killed my   
   friend as well.   That is a deadly combination as the suppression   
   of the breathing reflex is multiplied   
      If you want more data try "Season of the Witch" by David Talbot   
     which is about the people who changed San Francisco and the   
   people who tried to resist change.   
      
   >   
   >> The   
   >>   problem is that the dosage range that gets you high   
   >>   isn't all that far off from the dosage that kills. Heroin   
   >>   is actually safer in that respect. Fentanyl is another   
   >>   narrow-range narcotic ... which nailed Prince.   
   >>   
   >>   Time to just end the 'drug war'. X-percent are gonna   
   >>   be stonies pretty much no matter what and that's that.   
   >>   No point in funding huge crime organizations, corrupting   
   >>   cops and officials, funding the companies that provide   
   >>   expensive drug-war-fighting stuff. No point in turning   
   >>   stonies into criminals who have to skulk in the darkest   
   >>   corners of society while the drunks are free to stumble   
   >>   down the street to the nearest bar. No point in fueling   
   >>   street-level gangs that massacre each other and anyone   
   >>   who gets in the way like it was the 1920s. No point in   
   >>   corrupting constitutional protections of due process,   
   >>   evidence-gathering and rational sentencing either.   
   >>   
   >>   There are also some annoying cultural/racial/class bias   
   >>   issues involved that shouldn't exist.   
      
   	The War on Cannabis started with 1937s Hemp Tax Act   
   which gave the old Bureau of Narcotics work after the repeal   
   of Alcohol Prohibition.  Racist and sexist arguments were   
   used with the then Democratic majorities in the House and   
   Senate.  Roosevelt never read the bill he signed assured that   
   it had to to with a narcotic drug.  In case you don't know   
   the old Democratic Party prior to the Warren Court's overturn   
   of the Separate but Equal segregation system, was the party of   
   the South.  The current Republican party accepted the   
   segregationists back in the 1960s.  The Democrats reorganized   
   themselves with Northern Liberals, minority strivers and labor   
   and anyone else who could not go with a party that supported   
   actors and plutocrats.   
   >   
   > The real problem is our drug orientated society.  Americans are by far   
   > the biggest users of prescription meds in general and opioids in   
   > particular.  This modern heroin epidemic isn't driven by "stonies" who   
   > just want to get high, it's driven by pain patients whose   
   > prescriptions have been cut off and resort to black market opioids.   
   > Eventually they get to heroin - the mother of all opioids   
      
   	Heroin is the child of the war on drugs.  Bayer developed it as   
   a cough suppressant.  All the scientists on the project tried it out on   
   themselves and the rest of their families.  No problems were seen.   
   	Previous to the hysterical WOD you could buy Elixir of Terpin   
   Hydrate with Codeine and this saved peoples lives by keeping them   
   from dying of exhaustion with coughing.   
   	Heroin entered the illegal drug trade because it was very compact and   
   much easier for the smuggling.   
      
      
   	As for Americans being drug-oriented of course it is but what is the   
   problem?  We are pushed to drink coffee(caffeine) and allowed still to   
   smoke tobacco to stay awake.  Alcohol was pushed for years   
   as necessary to relaxation and still is if you look at a show like   
   "Blue Bloods" where everyone of age partakes of whiskey on a regular   
   basis in the show.   I read Cannabis Culture, a free on paper magazine,   
   here in the SFBA and it promotes the use of cannabis in the strange   
   new forms of wax and so forth which I think is a bad idea for medical   
   cannabis.   All of the drugs except cannabis have been with us since   
   the beginnings of the nation in the old colonial system.   
   	The Puritans drank to suppress sanity and sexual urges.  Also   
   they did not know about germ theory and the cause of illness so   
   rum was diluted to "purify" water.  Same for beer.   
   	   
   >   
   >>   Most stonies CAN do stuff ... even if it's just working   
   >>   at the Circle-K ... but the current environment makes   
   >>   that almost impossible, leaving them nothing but a   
   >>   life of crime to survive on.   
   >>   
   >>   So just DROP the damned drug war. Clean dope in   
   >>   measured strengths for realistic prices ... and 99%   
   >>   of the "drug problem" and its ludicrous, pointless,   
   >>   expense will just disappear. Tax on the sales can go   
   >>   to programs for people who get tired of being stonies.   
   >>   
   >>   So who's FOR the drug war ? Corrupt cops and pols   
   >>   and mind-everybodys-business neo-puritans For   
   >>   everyone else the negatives greatly exceed any benifits.   
   >   
   > I agree with your assessment of the drug war - it certainly has failed   
   > miserably - but there are real problems with simply selling dope over   
   > the counter.  For one thing, the number of users would jump sharply.   
   > Opioid addiction would skyrocket.   
      
   	Evidenciary Studies??   
   	Why do you think it would skyrocket?  Love of constipation?   
   >   
   > Our best long term solution is to learn to treat pain and illness   
   > without addictive medications.   
   >   
   > Swill   
   >   
   	Your opinions certainly resemble the swill dished out by the   
   agencies that promote the War On Some Drugs.   
   	We treat pain with appropriate substances whether cannabinoid   
   or opoid or electronic such as TENS or liniment.  Addiction is a quality   
   of the personality where the addict looks outside themselves to seek   
   relief of discomfort, physical or emotional.   
      
   	Sometimes opiates are the best treatment despite their problems   
   and sometimes an aspirin or phenacetin is the best treatment. Never take   
   more than you need. Both Aspirin and Phenacetin are poisonous in large   
   doses and aspirin causes death more often than many other legal drugs.   
      
   	bliss   
      
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