XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, soc.culture.usa
From: bliss@mouse-potato.com
On 03/06/2017 12:18 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 07:25:29 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/05/2017 10:48 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2017 21:03:04 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/05/2017 01:34 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2017 02:12:01 -0800 (PST), john simmons
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Christian are brought up that way with Christianity or any other
>>>> religion imposed over their inborn tendencies. Denial of sexual
>>>> preference leads to all sorts of problems. Masochism, sadism, and the
>>>> like. As when a river is damned and eventually the current finds
>>>> its way out.
>>>> Some people have strong sexual proclivities and even various
>>>> painful therapies cannot change what is inborn and pressure keeps
>>>> building until the way out is found. People with weaker desires
>>>> may be able to live in an abstinent fashion. be monogamous or be
>>>> happy with vows of chastity in the RC priesthood but too many idealist
>>>> young people think that Christianity with its anti-sex views is
>>>> essential to Salvation before they have any idea of what we need
>>>> to be saved from which is primarily ignorance of reality
>>>> Sexual denial can lead to depression and acting out violently.
>>>> I cannot prove it but there is or at least was when I was young 75 years
>>>> ago to 50 years ago a class of men who may or may not be bisexual but
>>>> who sought out and engaged in bar brawls to satisfy their needs for
>>>> contact with other men. I had occasion in USN ERs to repair their
>>>> minor wounds with anesthetic, needle and suture.
>>>>
>>>> I knew of one bisexual gay man who was a hairdresser but to
>>>> stay with his wife and family he became a heroin addict which is
>>>> well-known for quelling sexual desires. It may well be that many
>>>> addicts these days are trying to escape sexual desire which frightens
>>>> and perhaps disgust them as they are trying to live within the
>>>> limits of Christian sexuality.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've never quite understood why most religions
>>> assert that the path to godliness is to be as
>>> unhuman as possible.
>>
>> Because they fear the opposite the reversion of human to
>> animalistic, or actually sociopathic behavior. Of course some
>> of the most successful of our elites have been sociopaths but
>> in ways that were not invented when the holy books of lies were
>> composed.
>> The structure of monogamy forbids promiscuity except in
>> a few religions where certain holy days over-turned the rules.
>> In areas where promiscuity was endorsed by the social
>> order it led to widespread sexually transmitted illnesses so
>> the anciently founded religions had the chance to observe this.
>> Since the main big survivors of the early period turned into
>> dogmatic religions bent on taking over the world and so entreat
>> their followers to reproduce as much as possible so that their
>> armies are resupplied with rock/spear/arrow/sword/cannon fodder.
>
>
> Ben Franklin once mused that as bad as the average
> guy was even THOUGH he was nominally religious,
> what would be be like WITHOUT any religion, without
> the all-seeing cosmic butt-stomper on his case ?
>
> IMHO, falling back on fire & brimstone & cosmic Big
> Brotherism represents a failure to instill moral/ethical/
> empatic lessons on the average Joes.
>
> As for monogamy ... there was barely such a thing
> until the middle-ages - and nobody knew where VD
> came from anyway ... evil-smelling swamp vapors
> fer sure. Monogamy was invented to clarify the
> inheritance issue ... most important for royals but
> slowly more relevant for wealthy merchants and
> such as time went on.
As for the cause of disease they attributed it to sin.
People who sinned more and in strange ways(to the tribesman)
seemed to get sick more often. A good theory of disease is
not needed to provide evidence for the development of rules
of behavior.
>
> Of course there wasn't REALLY much monogamy
> even then ... it was more of a legal formalism to
> guide the distribution of inherited wealth and power.
> All the little bastards could be cut out of the equation.
>
>
>
>>> Actually, most of their gods are VERY "human",
>>> "Human+" in truth. All the ego and want and
>>> desire times ten ...........
>>>
>> Aside from the very jealous deities followed by the big three religions
>> who are more like jealous apes with super powers.
>
>
> I've always visualized a 5-year-old playing with
> his plastic army men ........
>
>
>> But once the governmental powers the West assigns to
>> to secular institutions are taken from under the purview of
>> the organized religions it is possibly that some good is done
>> by those religions. We can see that on specific occasions
>> that religion can organize relief from its strictures or even
>> natural disaster.
>
> People alway SAY religions are unifying ... but
> in practice we don't see that very often at all.
> "Crush the infidels !" is far more common.
Yeah but "WE" all crush the infidels together like the rotten
schismatics, deluded heretics and outright murderous heathen sodomites
that they are. ;^)
Sometimes the crushed religions are worse than the established
faiths as far as inhumanity goes. Not too often but... the history of
religion is as bloody as the history of nations and empires.
bliss - agnostic
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