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From: bliss@mouse-potato.com
On 05/10/2017 08:44 AM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
> On Tue, 9 May 2017 19:19:52 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
> wrote:
>
>> On 05/09/2017 06:39 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
>>> On Tue, 09 May 2017 17:50:51 -0400, Demosthenes
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do we want to legalize medical marijuana at the Federal level? We could
>>>> prescribe marijuana for pain, instead of opiods. Opiods prescribed for
>>>> pain lead to addiction and lead to heroin. So, we prescribe marijuana
>>>> for pain instead.
>>>
>>> Careful ... they may just decide that God WANTS sinners
>>> to suffer :-)
>>
>> Actually as a Medical Marijuana patient I doubt very much that cannabis
>> will ever replace opiates for pain relief. They use synthetic
>> opiates like Fentanyl to do surgery as a simple example.
>> But the only improvement that cannabis offers is that it is not
>> a respiratory depressant. Sometime you need to have respiratory
>> depression but not while abusing multiple respiratory depressants
>> like opiates and alcohol.
>
>
> Well, from long-past experience, cannabis did NOT
> immunize you from pain. It could kind of distract you
> from MINOR discomforts but it sure as hell wasn't
> something you'd take for a fractured femur or twisted
> spine or having your internal organs prodded.
>
> The dose of even the less-intoxicating derivatives that
> would be needed for opioid-level effectiveness ... if
> there IS such a level ... would leave you so whacked
> out as to be a de-facto invalid.
>
>
>> Otherwise Demosthenes seems to be a Troll widely cross-posting.
>>>
>>> In any case the "opioid epidemic" is just the latest bit of
>>> propaganda generated on behalf of the beer/wine/liquor
>>> industry. There has been a slight uptick in overdoses
>>> but that's because of the "drug war" ... some pinheaded
>>> puritan thought that by making factory-made pills hard
>>> to get that everybody would magically become a good
>>> little hymn-singin' puro-Christians. Nope - as predicted
>>> they turned the other way at the intersection and headed
>>> straight down to Harry the heroin dealers place ........
>>>
>>
>> Just as when alcohol was prohibited it promoted the enrichment
>> of criminal entrepreneurs so will overly strict rules regarding
>> opiates and their derivatives cause criminals to become much richer
>> to the point that they will help elect moralists to high office
>> to increase their profits.
>
> Well, there are a couple of factors involved here.
>
> One IS the profits of alcohol producers ... which are VERY
> considerable - and they DO grease their politicians. These
> people are the main reason for the prolonged reefer
> prohibition. "We need more studies !" ... yea, right ... been
> "studied" for millenia.
>
> Another important factor is what's often called the "Church
> vote" ... in short quasi-fundy puritan-prescriptive blue-nosed
> bony-finger-in-yer-face maximum-micromanaging Xians.
> Leaders DO covet that large voting bloc even though you
> might say they're "establishing" religion by doing so. This is
> the faction that thinks there should be no pleasure or joy
> EXCEPT in the contemplation of their god. It's for your own
> good ya know. Not all so much different from ISIL and
> al-Qaida actually IMHO ....
>
> There's the "Soccer-Mom" bloc ... who'd keep little Timmy
> and Tammy chained up in a padded basement for their
> "safety" if it was legal.
>
> There IS a legit "medical" bloc that's worried about side
> effects and overdoses. However the politicians only
> pay attention to them when it's politically USEFUL to
> do so ... enough lead in your drinking water to make
> a car battery - who cares ?
>
> Alas the "drug war" has caused vast numbers of unneeded
> casualties. The biggest problem with opioids has always
> been the QUALITY of street drugs - the dosage is always
> a mystery, gotta actually try it to see if your're gonna die.
> The recent war on Oxy's caused large numbers of people
> to switch from a predictable dose of good stuff to mystery
> doses of gawd-knows-WHAT'S-in-it. Any theory that this
> was not going to be the case ... put that down to the
> puritan faction. IMHO they're guilty of mass murder.
>
> Drugs CAN be pretty bad - but high quality legal drugs
> of known strength ain't gonna be NEARLY the problem
> of whatever the street dealers come up with. There's
> also a psychological factor oft called the "perception
> of shortage" - advertisers use it "Buy NOW before
> supplies run out !" - and users of street drugs always
> feel under pressure, under the gun - so they use more
> and more often, just in case.
>
Speaking the truth Mr.Black is. One of the reasons that
in the days of experimentation in my extended youth I limited myself
to non-opiates and prescription pharmaceuticals. My rule was only
cannabis, LSD and naturally occurring hallucinogenics such as
mescaline in San Pedro cacti and psilocybin.
But I had to give up all those more interesting materials
after I contracted SEID. Don't have the endurance for such long
trips or the money since I cannot work even at phone sales any
longer.
bliss
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