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|    Gerry Robuns to All    |
|    Re: Influx of non-San Franciscans living    |
|    07 Aug 24 01:52:02    |
      XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.guns       XPost: sac.politics, alt.politics.homosexuality       From: X@Y.com              Red states are shithole states because rightwing ideology and rightists are       inferior.                     Some right wing shithole states don't have paved roads. Ever been to       Mississippi or anywhere in Texas outside of a city?                     Red State Building Blues              Excessive infrastructure costs plague freeway construction in conservative       areas              High infrastructure construction costs in many American cities, which have       made headlines for several years, are now being formally studied by a team       of New York University researchers. Since much of the work so far has       examined rail infrastructure in dense cities such as New York and Boston,       some Americans may be tempted to write off the issue as simply another       example of blue-state corruption. But a look at some recent freeway       projects in conservative states with a reputation for low costs and       generally good governance suggests that infrastructure cost problems in       the United States may be far more widespread.              Any analysis should first establish a baseline of typical freeway costs in       continental Europe. A contributor to the forum skyscrapercity.com has made       a large compilation of recently completed or planned projects. My own       attempts to find costs for some of the larger projects on this list,       though admittedly unsystematic, suggest that in Europe, a new four-lane       expressway in an undeveloped area without unusual terrain difficulties       should cost about $10 million to $20 million per mile in round numbers,       with some outliers on the high end.              Let’s start by looking at Spain, a nation with some of the world’s lowest       infrastructure costs. A news report from the province of Castilla y León       in 2021 reported on several projects in progress. Among the largest: a new       four-lane freeway segment parallel to an existing road between the towns       of Santiuste and Venta Nueva, already 77 percent completed, was estimated       to cost 86.7 million euros for 16.2 kilometers—roughly $9.3 million per       mile, using a euro-to-dollar conversion rate of 1.1. Another completed       project in the same region, between the towns San Esteban de Gormaz and       Langa de Duero, cost 66.96 million euros for 12.8 kilometers, or about       $9.1 million per mile.              Similar price tags are seen in other European countries with cheap       infrastructure, such as Scandinavia. One of the largest recently finished       freeway projects in Sweden, for instance, is a segment of Riksväg 40, a       road connecting the cities of Gothenburg and Jönköping that is gradually       being upgraded to a four-lane freeway. Seventeen kilometers of this       upgraded road, through hilly terrain near the town of Ulricehamn, opened       in 2015. Veidekke, the contractor for the most complex seven-kilometer       subsegment of this road—including six bridges and a quarter-mile twin-bore       tunnel—claims that this subsegment cost 570 million Swedish kronor, or       roughly $13 million per mile. In Denmark, the Holstebromotorvej, a 39-       kilometer freeway between the small cities of Herning and Holstebro, was       completed in 2018 for 2.85 billion Danish kroner, a quarter less than the       originally projected price and about $17 million per mile. In Norway, a       four-lane freeway running 23 kilometers between the towns of Tvedestrand       and Arendal on the nation’s southeast coast opened in 2019. The project       includes 27 bridges, four short tunnels, and extensive cuttings through       rocky terrain, and cost just over 3 billion Norwegian kroner, or about $22       million per mile—quite a low price considering the geological challenges       and Norway’s high labor costs.              European countries with more expensive rail infrastructure, such as       Germany and the Netherlands, tend to have similar or somewhat higher       freeway costs. In Germany, a recent 14-kilometer expressway segment       through the hills of the Rhineland–Palatinate, opened in 2019, cost only       112 million euros—about $14 million per mile. A large expansion of       Bundesautobahn 14, with several segments already completed, will cost a       planned 1.7 billion euros for 155 kilometers, or about $19 million per       mile. (To be fair, Germany does have more expensive projects, such as a       short urban bypass in the northern part of the country that cost 231.7       million euros for 9.5 kilometers, or $42 million per mile—though this       expense may owe to the freeway’s proximity to a dense urban area,       requiring many overpasses and extensive noise mitigation.) The most       expensive large European project that does not involve considerable       tunneling or pass through a dense city may be the Buitenring Parkstad       Limburg in the Netherlands: a 26-kilometer beltway around a dense urban       agglomeration that had a final bill of 446 million euros, or about $30       million per mile. This sum was enough to provoke a substantial scandal, as       it more than tripled the original budget.              Many routine freeway projects in the U.S., in states with low labor costs       and reputations for good governance, have far exceeded these European       projects for no apparent reason. Consider an in-progress segment of       Interstate 69 in Indiana, running from the Indianapolis beltway to the       town of Martinsville 26 miles to the southwest. In 2018, the expenditure       for the project was estimated at $1.6 billion, or about $62 million per       mile—far above any European project that I know of that does not run       through a dense city or require tunneling. Unlike the European projects       discussed in this essay, moreover, I-69 is not actually a new road. It is       an upgrade of the existing State Route 37, already a four-lane divided       highway, to eliminate some at-grade intersections, widen shoulders, and       otherwise improve the road to Interstate design standards—significantly       less work than a new freeway would be.              Why should this project require three times as much money as wholly new       European freeways? One partial excuse might be the larger number of road       crossings on the project—one source claims that it will involve       reconstruction of 35 overpasses and construction of 39 new ones. But       overpasses are not expensive enough to account fully for the difference.       The Federal Highway Administration reports that outside a few especially       expensive regions such as the Northeast, bridges over freeways cost (in       round numbers) roughly between $100 and $250 per square foot in the United       States—meaning that a 20-foot-wide bridge over a 200-foot-wide freeway       could be expected to require about $1 million in spending.              Another example, in the Midwest: the Wisconsin DOT recently widened a 45-       mile segment of Interstate 39/90 from Madison to the border with Illinois,       adding an additional lane in each direction and reconfiguring a few              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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