XPost: soc.culture.china, aus.politics, uk.politics.misc   
   From: niday@nizuy.com   
      
   On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:36:37 +0800, Jim Walsh   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:13:20 +0800, Raymond wrote   
   >(in article ):   
   >   
   >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:48:40 +0800, Jim Walsh   
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:27:32 +0800, Raymond wrote   
   >>> (in article ):   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> Please call back your western companies from China. We don't want them   
   >>>> exploiting Chinese workers either. They can go back to your country to   
   >>>> exploit you again instead.   
   >>>   
   >>> Let's see. The CCP is running China. If foreign companies are exploiting   
   >>> the   
   >>> Chinese workers, the CCP is doing a bad job.   
   >>>   
   >>> But the CCP is perfect.   
   >>>   
   >>> Hmmm. Conundrum.   
   >>   
   >> ..... What you call exploitation,   
   >> we call the necessary stage for social and economical development.   
   >   
   >No. Raymond YOU called it exploitation (and I happen to agree).   
      
   From workers' point of view, it is exploitation. From the view of   
   social development, capitalism is just like slavery and feudalism as   
   part of social evolution which is still a valid social political   
   system in your own western society. So what exactly do you have in   
   against capitalist exploitation of wage labors? Are you changing your   
   color to Communist now?   
      
   >   
   >> Your forefathers all have been exploited mercilessly by those   
   >> capitalists not too long ago.....   
   >   
   >Not my forefathers. They were too smart to let that happen. They joined   
   >unions (and the socialist party) and fought bravely for their freedom from   
   >exploitation.   
      
   Why did they have to do that? Because your fucking government would   
   not help them. They were forced to risk their own lives to confront   
   both the government and the company. It was a brutal bloody struggle.   
      
   In China today, the government speaks for the people, and tirelessly   
   revises laws to protect workers' right. Something your forefathers   
   never really had.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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