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   XPost: soc.culture.china, aus.politics, uk.politics.misc   
   From: jimNOwalsSPAMh3@gmNOail.com   
      
   On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:43:00 +0800, fyfpoon@gmail.com wrote   
   (in article   
   <2bcda5b3-6c65-4a87-95c0-6255dcfda7e8@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):   
      
   > On Apr 20, 4:11 pm, Jim Walsh  wrote:   
   >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:30:34 +0800, fyfp...@gmail.com wrote   
   >> (in article   
   >> <7af1e12b-c7b7-4c58-9d9d-33f330cee...@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com>):   
   >>   
   >>> I am not sure how many governments can beat China's government in   
   >>> economic achievement scoreboard..China lifted some 300 million folks   
   >>> from poverty to world middle class level ....   
   >>   
   >> China remains a poor country. The dramatic increase in wealth has three   
   >> causes:   
   >>   
   >> 1. The abandonment of wrong policies (finally), most specifically the   
   >> commune   
   >> farming system and state-owned factories.   
   >   
   > So they have gone back to capitalism.  Is that what the west has   
   > always wanted.   
      
   Why do you (or anyone) care what "the west" wants. The Chinese should not   
   (and the PLA did not) pay any attention to what "the west" wants.   
      
   >   
   >> 2. A huge influx of foreign investment.   
   >   
   > This follows the policy change.   
      
   Yes.   
      
   >> 3. The deliberate decision to let foreign capitalist pollute the environment   
   >> and exploit the working class.   
   >   
   > In order to prove the existence of exploitation, you have to prove   
   > that the employers' market is a monopoly while the labor market a   
   > competitive market structure.  It does not exist.  Doesn't it?   
      
   You need proof that the Chinese workers are exploited? Even Raymond admits   
   that. He says it is good for social development.   
      
   >> None of these can take China to the next level.   
      
      
   --   
   Love, Jim   
   (I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive   
   crossposts.)   
      
      
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