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From: jimNOwalsSPAMh3@gmNOail.com
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:28:45 +0800, fyfpoon@gmail.com wrote
(in article
<29b11cd2-341e-421e-b069-cdca2dd1c434@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
> On 4月21日, 下午2时28分, Jim Walsh wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:59:26 +0800, fyfp...@gmail.com wrote
>> (in article
>> ):
>>
>>> On Apr 20, 5:18 pm, Jim Walsh wrote:
>>>> You need proof that the Chinese workers are exploited?
>>
>>> There is a level of exploitation anywhere even in socialist Canada
>>> because the market is not perfect, but by and large the level of
>>> exploitation in China is very low given its employment market is quite
>>> competitive. You need to demonstrate the labor market is monopolized
>>> by a few biggies in order to establish exploitation. People are not
>>> necessarily exploited simply because they are poor.
>>
>> OK. Here is the proof.
>>
>> The CCP is in control of licenses, permits, etc. etc. (Of course, it will
>> grant them for bribes, but that is another story.) That is the monopoly you
>> say I need to prove to show exploitation.,
>>
>> In a humane society, the workers could form unions to protect their
>> interests
>> (not possible in the CCP-controlled economy).
>>
>> In a humane society, people could form cooperatives to produce goods in away
>> that protects their interest (not possible in the CCP-controlled economy).
>>
>> Would you like more proof?
>
> What you have shown is the CCP has replaced price mechanism with
> bureacratic power. This is different from that kind of employer-
> employee relationship we have been talking about. The result of this
> substitute has led to corruption, which raises the cost of
> production. But corruption in the production process does not
> _necessarily_ justify the formation of labor unions, which can easily
> lead to more corruption in a country where the infrastructure is not
> well developed.
I have shown the monopoly which you agreed led to exploitation of the Chinese
workers.
--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)
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