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   From: dave-no_spam@nospam.net   
      
   "SaPeIsMa"  wrote in message   
   news:-sGdnRGa7ZBTaDTVnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@posted.cpinternet...   
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   > "Colonel Colt"  wrote in message   
   > news:1219092470.27084.0@proxy01.news.clara.net...   
   >> "John of Aix"  wrote in message   
   >> news:48a9bdd0$0$901$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...   
   >>> Colonel Colt wrote:   
   >>>> "Don H"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:B80qk.29171$IK1.23725@news-server.bigpond.net.au...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> If there is a ban on guns, this also makes them inaccessible to   
   >>>>> criminals, or should do so.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> How on earth did you figure that one out?  Handguns have been   
   >>>> 'banned' here in the UK for the past 11 years but those with criminal   
   >>>> contacts are able to acquire them with ease.  Why do you think it   
   >>>> would be any different in the US?   
   >>>   
   >>> Homicide by gun per 100,000 people: USA=9.1, UK, not even listed, the   
   >>> number being so small, less than 1 certainly and probably only a tiny   
   >>> fraction of 1 in fact.   
   >>>   
   >> So what?  Gun deaths were still infinitesimal in the UK when it was legal   
   >> to own handguns on firearms licence.  In France target pistol shooting on   
   >> licence is still permitted.  Is France a charnel house?   
   >>   
   >   
   > This is part of that ignroant premise that the presence of guns is somehow   
   > causal to the homicide rate   
   > Yet these idiots ignore countries like Jamaica and Mexico which have much   
   > stricter gun-control laws than the US and far HIGHER homicide rates than   
   > the US   
   > But then, these types also try to fudge the numbers by only looking at   
   > "gun homicides" instead of overall homicides. They also try to fudge the   
   > numbers by claiming that only certain countries should be compared   
   > But homicide is a CULTURE issue that has nothing to do with the tool used   
   > to commit it.   
      
   Quite true.  In Canada often the criminal element will use a 4x4, kitchen   
   knife, machete or just a 2x4 -- the effect is the same.  The thing about gun   
   laws, is they don't address the behavioural issues.   
      
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