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|    dev carter to All    |
|    USA : Terrorist State - so what?    |
|    14 Jan 09 08:29:29    |
      From: devcarter@iinet.net.au              USA : Terrorist State - so what?       ======================       All countries or empires are born out of conflict and whatever it       takes to get the job done- migration, settlement, and ultimately       colonial displacement of indigenous populations.              Colonization to statehood comes hand in hand with the tactics of real       politic and thus with what ever quantum of "terror" necessary to do       the business of state building.              This is a natural process where the "strong" social system in an       evolutionary sense tends to destroy, displace, subjugate or transform       the "weaker" systems.              Transformation is the final process of assimilation and integration of       an indigenous population and aspects of its culture into the stronger       cultural system so the transformation is ultimately a two way process       of exchange.              The spoils of colonization are the spoils of victory - all the       resources of occupied lands, less the cost of retaining them from       competitors- liberators or colonizers that would seek to displace the       victors.              The transformation process leads to inter-marriage and a substantial       Creole population with multi-ethnic or multi-racial roots and a stake       in the evolving system. Post integration via the transformation       process, the indigenous element does not seek nor need liberation.              Most African-Americans would be aghast if Robert Mugabe sought to       liberate them from the hands of the white colonialists.              But in other colonial territories the situation is different. The       population of Gaza or in the West Bank under Israeli occupation for       decades would have no qualms about liberation from any Arab state or       Iran.              It is very important for the average US citizen to understand why this       is so.              The social systems I have been talking about are real things- made of       real people with attitudes, and wants and all the other psychological       and physiological characteristics of the human animal. Social systems       are open systems, which means the attributes including beliefs are not       "fixed in time" but are variable and open to revision as secular       knowledge progressively displaces traditional beliefs.              Naturally, some conservative diehards would like to maintain an       eternal "status quo" and preserve traditional belief in religion and       economics that support a conservative agenda from the inevitable       reality of revision and evolutionary transformation. They support the       teaching of creationism rather than the teaching of the science of       human evolution. In political office religious belief motivates their       pursuit of ideals irrespective of the impossibility of their       realization. They attempt to reverse engineer by propaganda the       reality of open social systems in order to create and manipulate them       geopolitically as "closed entities".              Thus colonizers and indigenous entities are no longer perceived       objectively as competitors but become moral entities in a diehard's       ideological cosmology. For the USA the Zionist colonizers are allies       exercising their right to pacification by military escalation, while       indigenous opponents such as Hezbolah and Hamas are denied any right       of militant self defense of territory.              The strength of the American diehards self-delusion was made plain in       the recent election campaign when McCain claimed that : "We're       Americans, we make history" rather than the more accurate "we make       more geopolitical and economic black holes with no light in sight"       There is no real difference between "principals" and "reified       culturally indoctrinated delusions that are impervious to change".              Thus the conservative diehard's America seeks to eliminate from its       empire any transformation process leading to assimilation and       integration and peace by compromise and consent. It thus opposes any       peace settlements which might demographically undermine the purity of       the Jewish ethnicity despite the growing probability of its       inevitability in the longer term.              Thus the terror that the USA aids and abets is religious terror not       for a viable peace but for preservation of the conservative illusion       of ersatz Israel of biblical prophesy. The problem for the USA as       terrorist state and would be empire, is that religious terror never       ends without the total annihilation of the competitor.              Attempting to manufacture a reality according to ideals that can never       be realized is to program one's social system for destruction by       exhaustion. There is no problem with the survival of a secular empire       given that it pursues goals that are attainable.              The "so what" for America is whether its social system has the       capacity of making the secular transformation necessary to understand       the limitation of "terror" as a political weapon- before it's too       late.              The world knows all about America's high stakes plan "A" and the       extensive role "terror" as a weapon plays in it, but is America       capable of creating a plan "B" to reign terror in?              Dev Carter              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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