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   "Bill Smith"  wrote in message   
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   > On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>"Spartan613"  wrote in message   
   >>news:pp1vl.28743$cu.477@news-server.bigpond.net.au...   
   >>> "Blinky Bill"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:49baefa8$1$32359$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Angela Marsh"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:Xns9BCD86EA13B9VoiceFreedomfreedomn@216.196.97.142...   
   >>>>> In the case of European gun related crimes, their governments and the   
   >>>>> people once again call for more of what consistantly fails and leads   
   >>>>> to   
   >>>>> more "gun violence".   
   >>>>   
   >>>> In the case of Colorado and many other US states, their governments and   
   >>>> the people once again call for more of what consistently fails and   
   >>>> leads   
   >>>> to more gun violence.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Compare gun homicide rates in the US with that in the European   
   >>>> countries   
   >>>> cited and you will see which laws are associated with lower rates of   
   >>>> gun   
   >>>> violence.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>Note that once again, the gun is blamed for the   
   >>>>> crime, not the perpetrator(s),   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Where was the gun blamed?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> and conversly the people are left more   
   >>>>> and more at the mercy of evil.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is that the deplorable evil of gun homicide rates that are a fraction   
   >>>> of   
   >>>> those in the US   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Arm your people Europe, and teach them the use of arms from their   
   >>>>> earliest days, and your criminals will slink in fear of them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That doesn't happen in  the US - why do you suppose it will happen in   
   >>>> Europe if they are foolish enough to follow the US example?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>Evil   
   >>>>> cannot be defeated fleeing from it, or by surrendering yourselves to   
   >>>>> it. It must be met head on wherever and whenever it is encountered.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Exactly right - we should not flee from the evil consequences of   
   >>>> inadequate gun laws,   
   >>>   
   >>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.   
   >>   
   >>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly   
   >>suggests   
   >>otherwise.   
   >>   
   >>>It's the people who ignore tham that are the problem.   
   >>   
   >>And the availability nof firearms.   
   >   
   > Firearms availability varies widely in the US. So far, I can find no   
   > correlation of availability and gun violence.   
      
   Let me spoon feed you   
   http://www.unicri.it/wwk/publications/books/series/understanding   
   19_GUN_OWNERSHIP.pdf   
      
      
   > If you've found it, now   
   > would be the time to tell us. In Vermont, for example, there are no   
   > licensing requirements for concealed carry, if you can legally own a   
   > handgun by federal law, you may carry it concealed, and that State has   
   > the lowest murder rate in the country, about 1.2/100,000.   
      
   That is called "cherry picking".   
      
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