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   From: nospam@anytime.com   
      
   "Bill Smith"  wrote in message   
   news:d43ur41s754londtvtctkf6u9m413g5djs@4ax.com...   
   > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:28:06 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>"Bill Smith"  wrote in message   
   >>news:h7str49m511teu6s4hn3ufu9s4kffjjnv4@4ax.com...   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>How it seems to you doesn't really matter - do a comparable study that   
   >>>>produces correlations and get it published   
   >>>>   
   >>> This is a map of my town. It shows where the murders take place. In   
   >>> the corridor between I 580 and I 880 is where the lower socio-econimc   
   >>> groups live. The unempolyed and uneducated live here. It's where the   
   >>> drug dealers and gangs do business. What is it, do you suppose,   
   >>> happens as you travel north east past I 580. Does gun availibility   
   >>> change in some fashion?   
   >>   
   >>It's your research - you'll have to do it yourself. However you'll find   
   >>the   
   >>same socio-economic variation in towns and cities in almost every country   
   >>on   
   >>the planet. Trying to blame the relatively high US homicide rate on   
   >>specific   
   >>groups is pointless because every country has such groups.   
   >   
   > We have more of them for a variety of reasons,   
      
   Prove it.   
      
   > and it is where the   
   > vast majority of the violence takes place in the US.   
      
   Every country has such groups. The incidence of most types of crime in the   
   US isn't greatly different to that in other countries. What is greatly   
   different is the incidence of deadly violence, especially deadly violence   
   involving guns.   
      
      
   >   
   >>> There are probably far more guns in the north   
   >>> eastern part of town than the southwest because the middle and upper   
   >>> middle class owns the vast majority of them in the US.   
   >>>   
   >>> With only 18 countries represented, your "study" proves nothing at all   
   >>> meaningful about gun violence in the US.   
   >>   
   >>It didn't try to prove anything about differences in gun violence within   
   >>the   
   >>US - it addressed the difference in homicide and suicide between countries   
   >>in relation to the availability of firearms in those countries.   
   >>   
   > You must have missed awhile back where I agreed that the study showed   
   > a correlation of gun availability and related criminal misuse in those   
   > 18 countries.   
      
   No - I even commented on your flip-flop.   
      
   > If 18 countries were all there were, you'd have   
   > something, but you don't.   
      
   Why? What statistical principle means that the study of 18 countries for   
   which data was available is worthless? Apart from the fact you don't like   
   the results.   
      
   > A significant number of countries were left   
   > out of the study that might very well show a different result.   
      
   It might, and if pigs had wings they might be able to fly. But don't hold   
   back - do the study and overturn the results of the previous studies.   
      
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