XPost: aus.politics.guns, can.talk.guns, uk.politics.guns   
   From: 10x@teluös.net   
      
   On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...   
   >> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.   
   >>>   
   >>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly   
   >>>suggests   
   >>>otherwise.   
   >>   
   >> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.   
   >> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what   
   >> method they use.   
   >   
   >And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in the US.   
      
   Yes that is a reality.  IF you take guns out of the equation will the   
   number of murders drop or will will the methods change?   
   The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every   
   year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.   
      
   >> The U.S.A. has over 20,000 laws restricting the use of firearms   
   >   
   >A claim often made but never proved. Can youn prove it?   
      
   You may be right, the 20,000 laws restricting guns may be an urban   
   legend.   
   However gun laws in the U.S. range from total prohibition to few if   
   any restrictions at all.  Data shows that the crime rate and crime   
   rate with firearms doesn't seem to have any correlation to whether or   
   not guns are freely available to the law abiding public.   
      
   >> including a federal law that prohibits possession of a firearm by a   
   >> convicted felon.  Many of the murders commited by all means in the   
   >> U.S.A. are by felons with histories of violence.   
   >   
   >According to the FBI lesss than a quarter have a connection with crime.   
      
   100% of murders have a connection to crime.  Murder in iself is a   
   crime.   
      
   >> Not to mention every year the net number of firearms increases in the   
   >> U.S.A. while the total crime rate and the crime rate with firearms   
   >> decreases. Please explain that.   
   >   
   >Provide evidence for your claim instead of asking me to explain it.   
      
   No!   
   You can see if you find evidence that proves me wrong on   
   1) the increase in number of guns in the U.S.   
   and   
   2) the decrease in gun crime in the U.S. since 1976   
      
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