XPost: aus.politics.guns, can.talk.guns, uk.politics.guns   
   From: nospam@anytime.com   
      
   "10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   news:j9kas41oo1bc8ursnpq66m4krgrl4fkk38@4ax.com...   
   > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...   
   >>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly   
   >>>>suggests   
   >>>>otherwise.   
   >>>   
   >>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.   
   >>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what   
   >>> method they use.   
   >>   
   >>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in the US.   
   >   
   > Yes that is a reality.  IF you take guns out of the equation will the   
   > number of murders drop or will will the methods change?   
   > The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every   
   > year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.   
      
   Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are   
   2001  8890   
   2002  9528   
   2003 9659   
   2004 9385   
   2005 10100   
   2006 10177   
      
   Only one year where firearm crime decreased.   
      
   >>> The U.S.A. has over 20,000 laws restricting the use of firearms   
   >>   
   >>A claim often made but never proved. Can youn prove it?   
   >   
   > You may be right, the 20,000 laws restricting guns may be an urban   
   > legend.   
   > However gun laws in the U.S. range from total prohibition to few if   
   > any restrictions at all.  Data shows that the crime rate and crime   
   > rate with firearms doesn't seem to have any correlation to whether or   
   > not guns are freely available to the law abiding public.   
   >   
   >>> including a federal law that prohibits possession of a firearm by a   
   >>> convicted felon.  Many of the murders commited by all means in the   
   >>> U.S.A. are by felons with histories of violence.   
   >>   
   >>According to the FBI lesss than a quarter have a connection with crime.   
   >   
   > 100% of murders have a connection to crime.   
      
   Depends on the meaning of "connection". The original poster made a claim   
   concerning killings connected with a "criminal enterprise".   
      
      
   >  Murder in iself is a crime.   
      
   Go figure - the discussion up to this point concerned killings as part of a   
   "criminal enterprise". A homicide that occurs during an argument is not   
   connected to a "criminal enterprise".   
      
   >   
   >>> Not to mention every year the net number of firearms increases in the   
   >>> U.S.A. while the total crime rate and the crime rate with firearms   
   >>> decreases. Please explain that.   
   >>   
   >>Provide evidence for your claim instead of asking me to explain it.   
   >   
   > No!   
   > You can see if you find evidence that proves me wrong on   
   > 1) the increase in number of guns in the U.S.   
   > and   
   > 2) the decrease in gun crime in the U.S. since 1976   
      
   That's not the way it works - you made a claim so the onus is on you to   
   provide evidence.   
      
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