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From: 10x@teluös.net
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:22:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
wrote:
>
>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message
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>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.
>>>>>
>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly
>>>>>suggests
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.
>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what
>>>> method they use.
>>>
>>>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in the US.
>>
>> Yes that is a reality. IF you take guns out of the equation will the
>> number of murders drop or will will the methods change?
>> The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every
>> year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.
>
>Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are
>2001 8890
>2002 9528
>2003 9659
>2004 9385
>2005 10100
>2006 10177
>
>Only one year where firearm crime decreased.
How does that compare to the population increaste in the U.S.A.?
How many firearms homicides are there per 100,000 for those years?
How does that compare to the increase in guns per 100,000 citizens?
Are the legally justified homicides by law enforcement and self
defence factored out of these totals?
You are using raw data in an inapropirate way.
By itself the data you posted means very little.
>>>> The U.S.A. has over 20,000 laws restricting the use of firearms
>>>
>>>A claim often made but never proved. Can youn prove it?
>>
>> You may be right, the 20,000 laws restricting guns may be an urban
>> legend.
>> However gun laws in the U.S. range from total prohibition to few if
>> any restrictions at all. Data shows that the crime rate and crime
>> rate with firearms doesn't seem to have any correlation to whether or
>> not guns are freely available to the law abiding public.
>>
>>>> including a federal law that prohibits possession of a firearm by a
>>>> convicted felon. Many of the murders commited by all means in the
>>>> U.S.A. are by felons with histories of violence.
>>>
>>>According to the FBI lesss than a quarter have a connection with crime.
>>
>> 100% of murders have a connection to crime.
>
>Depends on the meaning of "connection". The original poster made a claim
>concerning killings connected with a "criminal enterprise".
>
Most homicides are a result of a criminal act....
>> Murder in iself is a crime.
>
>Go figure - the discussion up to this point concerned killings as part of a
>"criminal enterprise". A homicide that occurs during an argument is not
>connected to a "criminal enterprise".
Homicide is homicide.
>>>> Not to mention every year the net number of firearms increases in the
>>>> U.S.A. while the total crime rate and the crime rate with firearms
>>>> decreases. Please explain that.
>>>
>>>Provide evidence for your claim instead of asking me to explain it.
>>
>> No!
>> You can see if you find evidence that proves me wrong on
>> 1) the increase in number of guns in the U.S.
>> and
>> 2) the decrease in gun crime in the U.S. since 1976
>
>That's not the way it works - you made a claim so the onus is on you to
>provide evidence.
That isn't the way it works because you can't prove me wrong bucko....
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