XPost: aus.politics.guns, can.talk.guns, uk.politics.guns   
   From: 10x@teluös.net   
      
   On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:25:31 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"   
    wrote:   
      
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   >"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
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   >> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:42:23 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"   
   >>  wrote:   
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   >>>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
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   >>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   >>>> wrote:   
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   >>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly   
   >>>>>suggests   
   >>>>>otherwise.   
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   >>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.   
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   >>>**Well that law doesn't work. Perhaps it should be removed from the law   
   >>>books. Is that your inference? Or are you trying to say something else?   
   >>>Perhaps you could elaborate.   
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   >> My point is that folks willing to break the law and taboo against   
   >> murder are not going to care about a gun law or method of murdering   
   >> others.  Firearms do not cause the intent to murder.   
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   >**No. Your point was clear. [To paraphrase] You claim that "20,000" gun   
   >control laws don't work, so they should be dispensed with. I used your   
   >specious claim to suggest that you should treat the laws surrounding   
   >homicide the same way. People commit homicide. Therefore (in your mind) laws   
   >which make homicide illegal are useless.   
      
   You certainly have a twist with words and logic.   
   The gun control laws do not work to stop homicides.   
   Places like Jamaica have very strict gun laws and very high homicide   
   rates.   
   Canada has the same gun laws in every jurisdiction yet the homicide   
   rate with firearms varies from area to area.  If the laws worked the   
   homicide rate /100,000 should be the same in all areas.   
   There is no correlation between firearms, firearms laws, and the   
   homocide rate.   
   And folks who do not have any respect for the law (and religious   
   taboo) against murder are not going to be stopped by a gun law.   
   Guns available in a society are not a cause or catalyst for crime.   
   They are a tool that people will use.  Take guns out of the equation   
   and other tools (means) are substituted.   
      
   Here is some interesting reading for you from Firearms and Violence   
   http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=11   
      
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