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   From: trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au   
      
   "John - Melb"  wrote in message   
   news:69b6a278-c699-4771-a502-9a3afb04da83@v1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...   
   On Mar 24, 2:36 pm, "Trevor Wilson"   
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   > "F Murtz"  wrote in message   
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   > > Trevor Wilson wrote:   
   > >> "10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   > >>news:3hvfs4hv83larbqrrb51tk75qmr35larnr@4ax.com...   
   > >>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:42:23 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"   
   > >>>  wrote:   
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   > >>>> "10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   > >>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...   
   > >>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"   
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   > >>>>> wrote:   
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   > >>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.   
   > >>>>>> What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly   
   > >>>>>> suggests   
   > >>>>>> otherwise.   
   > >>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.   
   > >>>> **Well that law doesn't work. Perhaps it should be removed from the   
   > >>>> law   
   > >>>> books. Is that your inference? Or are you trying to say something   
   > >>>> else?   
   > >>>> Perhaps you could elaborate.   
   > >>> My point is that folks willing to break the law and taboo against   
   > >>> murder are not going to care about a gun law or method of murdering   
   > >>> others. Firearms do not cause the intent to murder.   
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   > >> **No. Your point was clear. [To paraphrase] You claim that "20,000" gun   
   > >> control laws don't work, so they should be dispensed with. I used your   
   > >> specious claim to suggest that you should treat the laws surrounding   
   > >> homicide the same way. People commit homicide. Therefore (in your mind)   
   > >> laws which make homicide illegal are useless.   
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   > >> You now see the error of your suggestion.   
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   > >>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what   
   > >>>>> method they use.   
   > >>>> **Perhaps. In the US, however, they prefer to use a gun.   
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   > >>> You are quite correct they do perfer to use a gun in the U.S.   
   > >>> However they also use other methods when firearms are not available.   
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   > >> **Do they? In EVERY case? Prove it.   
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   > >>> Canada has strict controls on firearms.   
   > >>> Jamaica has a complete ban on firearms.   
   > >>> Folks still get murdered in both countries.   
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   > >> **They do, indeed. Australia has strict controls on firearms and around   
   > >> 10% the gun related homicide rate that the US has. The UK has strict   
   > >> controls on firearms and around 5% the gun related homicide rate that   
   > >> the   
   > >> US has. See a pattern here?   
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   > > YES they use other methods for homicide. The homicide rate in australia   
   > > has remained almost constant per 100000 people for 100 years   
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   > **No, it has not. It has, however, remained lower than the US figure for a   
   > long time.   
      
   Actually, the homicide rate in this country has remained relatively   
   stable over the past century or so.   
      
   AIC "Trends and Issues No 61" "Violent Crime in Australia;   
   Interpreting the Trends"   
      
   I guess Trevor will tell us he can't find that too..............   
      
   **I take it then, that if your wages were cut by 50%, you'd regard that is   
   insignificant? Australian homicides have varied by more than that.   
      
      
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   Trevor Wilson   
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