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   From: haggisz@hotmail.com   
      
   Trevor Wilson wrote:   
   > "F Murtz"  wrote in message   
   > news:49c85128@dnews.tpgi.com.au...   
   >> Trevor Wilson wrote:   
   >>> "10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >>> news:3hvfs4hv83larbqrrb51tk75qmr35larnr@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:42:23 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.   
   >>>>>>> What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly   
   >>>>>>> suggests   
   >>>>>>> otherwise.   
   >>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.   
   >>>>> **Well that law doesn't work. Perhaps it should be removed from the law   
   >>>>> books. Is that your inference? Or are you trying to say something else?   
   >>>>> Perhaps you could elaborate.   
   >>>> My point is that folks willing to break the law and taboo against   
   >>>> murder are not going to care about a gun law or method of murdering   
   >>>> others.  Firearms do not cause the intent to murder.   
   >>> **No. Your point was clear. [To paraphrase] You claim that "20,000" gun   
   >>> control laws don't work, so they should be dispensed with. I used your   
   >>> specious claim to suggest that you should treat the laws surrounding   
   >>> homicide the same way. People commit homicide. Therefore (in your mind)   
   >>> laws which make homicide illegal are useless.   
   >>>   
   >>> You now see the error of your suggestion.   
   >>>   
   >>>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what   
   >>>>>> method they use.   
   >>>>> **Perhaps. In the US, however, they prefer to use a gun.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> You are quite correct they do perfer to use a gun in the U.S.   
   >>>> However they also use other methods when firearms are not available.   
   >>> **Do they? In EVERY case? Prove it.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Canada has strict controls on firearms.   
   >>>> Jamaica has a complete ban on firearms.   
   >>>> Folks still get murdered in both countries.   
   >>> **They do, indeed. Australia has strict controls on firearms and around   
   >>> 10% the gun related homicide rate that the US has. The UK has strict   
   >>> controls on firearms and around 5% the gun related homicide rate that the   
   >>> US has. See a pattern here?   
   >> YES they use other methods for homicide. The homicide rate in australia   
   >> has remained almost constant per 100000 people for 100 years   
   >   
   > **No, it has not. It has, however, remained lower than the US figure for a   
   > long time.   
   >   
   >   
   Different bunch of people, different morals, different mixture of   
   peoples, different mindsets, nothing to do with guns. Explain the   
   countries with extremely strong gun laws and high rates of homicides   
      
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