XPost: aus.politics.guns, can.talk.guns, uk.politics.guns   
   From: 10x@teluös.net   
      
   On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:02:32 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"   
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   >"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >news:qn5is4db75g554dtb7aehiu326lsh6m7g7@4ax.com...   
   >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:38:38 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"   
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   >>>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >>>news:qv4gs4tfj314ejgsrjgf3qr69pemnc2tkm@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:25:31 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"   
   >>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
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   >>>>>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:42:23 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"   
   >>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"   
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   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.   
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   >>>>>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly   
   >>>>>>>>>suggests   
   >>>>>>>>>otherwise.   
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   >>>>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.   
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   >>>>>>>**Well that law doesn't work. Perhaps it should be removed from the   
   >>>>>>>law   
   >>>>>>>books. Is that your inference? Or are you trying to say something   
   >>>>>>>else?   
   >>>>>>>Perhaps you could elaborate.   
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   >>>>>> My point is that folks willing to break the law and taboo against   
   >>>>>> murder are not going to care about a gun law or method of murdering   
   >>>>>> others.  Firearms do not cause the intent to murder.   
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   >>>>>**No. Your point was clear. [To paraphrase] You claim that "20,000" gun   
   >>>>>control laws don't work, so they should be dispensed with. I used your   
   >>>>>specious claim to suggest that you should treat the laws surrounding   
   >>>>>homicide the same way. People commit homicide. Therefore (in your mind)   
   >>>>>laws   
   >>>>>which make homicide illegal are useless.   
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   >>>> You certainly have a twist with words and logic.   
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   >>>**It's my language of choice - Logic and reason.   
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   >>>> The gun control laws do not work to stop homicides.   
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   >>>**Not directly, no. Gun control laws, in part, attempt to restrict the   
   >>>availability of firearms to those who should not have them.   
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   >> Please define "those who should not have them"?   
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   >**If you can't work that out, then there is little I can do for you. Are you   
   >really stupid, or are you being deliberately obtuse?   
      
   What I have figured out is that if individuals can not be trusted with   
   firearms in a society, then they can not be trusted with anything else   
   that can be used as a weapon.  Individuals who are that dangerous need   
   to be incarcerated or put into a position of very carefull   
   supervision.   
   You honestly believe that someone who has no reservations about   
   murdering other peopel will keep a promise to not touch guns?   
      
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