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   "10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   news:kq0js456mde6lhigggvpqcanek43ollts4@4ax.com...   
   > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:09:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   > wrote:   
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   >>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >>news:el5is4tldod7net2a2kiggd8bqsgcjb7so@4ax.com...   
   >>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:47:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   >>> wrote:   
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   >>>>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >>>>news:9t4gs4lbm4lsj8hb8acog92vd0elqkdgtr@4ax.com...   
   >>>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:22:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   >>>>> wrote:   
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   >>>>>>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >>>>>>news:j9kas41oo1bc8ursnpq66m4krgrl4fkk38@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"   
   >>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"   
   >>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly   
   >>>>>>>>>>suggests   
   >>>>>>>>>>otherwise.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.   
   >>>>>>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what   
   >>>>>>>>> method they use.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in the   
   >>>>>>>>US.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Yes that is a reality.  IF you take guns out of the equation will   
   >>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>> number of murders drop or will will the methods change?   
   >>>>>>> The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every   
   >>>>>>> year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are   
   >>>>>>2001  8890   
   >>>>>>2002  9528   
   >>>>>>2003 9659   
   >>>>>>2004 9385   
   >>>>>>2005 10100   
   >>>>>>2006 10177   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Firearms and Violence, you should read it...   
   >>>>> This bit is very interesting.   
   >>>>> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=11   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I have - it contains nothing to contradict the numbers I cited.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> You are absolutely right.  It does not contradict the numbers you   
   >>> cited, but it puts them into perspective.   
   >>   
   >>And the perspective does not show them to be decreasing, ( SNIP )   
   >   
   > Once again, absolutely right the gross numbers are not decreasing,   
      
   Then why did you claim they were decreasing evry year?   
      
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