XPost: aus.politics.guns, can.talk.guns, uk.politics.guns   
   From: 10x@teluös.net   
      
   On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:19:44 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >news:dggps4lscp1f9qhb6jn7j7fe79bg170p45@4ax.com...   
   >> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:39:42 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> Ah, it was me who was confused.   
   >>>   
   >>>Perpetually.   
   >>>   
   >>>> And that caused you to misunderstand.   
   >>>> Every year the number of firearms per 100,000 in the U.S.of A.   
   >>>> increases.   
   >>>   
   >>>Evidence?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> Every year the number of murders (and gunshot wounds) per 100,000 in   
   >>>> the U.S. of A. decreases.   
   >>>   
   >>>Evidence?   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> My apology.  I didn't realize you were refering to the total number of   
   >>>> firearms murder in the U.S.A.   
   >>>   
   >>>It was you who referred to "fewer murders with guns every year" and  made   
   >>>no   
   >>>mention of rates. I addressed the claim you made, not the one you wished   
   >>>you   
   >>>had made.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Keep in mind that the U.S.A. has a very high non firearms murder rate   
   >>>> compared to other countries.   
   >>>   
   >>>Does it? What evidence do you have for that.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>  Do you blame that on the presense of   
   >>>> firearms as well?   
   >>>   
   >>>I don't even know if it is true yet.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Apparently there is a great deal of information you don't care to find   
   >> out about.   
   >   
   >And even more apparently you like to make up factoids for your gun-loon   
   >propaganda and pretend you can bluff/bluster your way out of providing   
   >evidence.   
      
   You asked for it.   
   The BATF (USA) reported that there were 4.5 million firearms added to   
   the numbers of firearm in the U.S.A. every year.  They also reported   
   no correlation (or a negative one) between the civilian firearms   
   inventory and the firearms death rate.   
      
      
   Not to mention the U.S. Health and Human services has provided   
   mortality information from 1994 to 2005 showing that the cause of   
   death from all incidents is dropping slower than the cause of death   
   from firearms incidents.   
   For example between 1994 and 2005 child homicide dropped 28.2%, during   
   that same time the subset of child homicide in firearms incidents   
   dropped 54.0%   
   During the same period all homicides dropped 34.5% and the subset of   
   firearm incident homicides dropped 37.4%   
   This indicates that there are more firearms per year in the U.S. and   
   there are fewer firearms homicides.   
      
   >> Too bad you don't bother to do a little research.   
   >   
   >And even more of a pity that you didn't - if you had, you would have some   
   >credibility, but as it stands you have none.   
   >   
      
   I just did a little research.  It is actual research that uses the raw   
   of the FBI and gives us a reasonable idea of what is happening in   
   society.   
      
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