XPost: aus.politics.guns, can.talk.guns, uk.politics.guns   
   From: nospam@anytime.com   
      
   "10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   news:466qs49spf9pgv7e10sdf2nerl7kpp92ao@4ax.com...   
   > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:19:44 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>"10x" <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message   
   >>news:dggps4lscp1f9qhb6jn7j7fe79bg170p45@4ax.com...   
   >>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:39:42 +1100, "Blinky Bill"    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>> Ah, it was me who was confused.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Perpetually.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> And that caused you to misunderstand.   
   >>>>> Every year the number of firearms per 100,000 in the U.S.of A.   
   >>>>> increases.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Evidence?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Every year the number of murders (and gunshot wounds) per 100,000 in   
   >>>>> the U.S. of A. decreases.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Evidence?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> My apology.  I didn't realize you were refering to the total number of   
   >>>>> firearms murder in the U.S.A.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>It was you who referred to "fewer murders with guns every year" and   
   >>>>made   
   >>>>no   
   >>>>mention of rates. I addressed the claim you made, not the one you wished   
   >>>>you   
   >>>>had made.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Keep in mind that the U.S.A. has a very high non firearms murder rate   
   >>>>> compared to other countries.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Does it? What evidence do you have for that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>  Do you blame that on the presense of   
   >>>>> firearms as well?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I don't even know if it is true yet.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Apparently there is a great deal of information you don't care to find   
   >>> out about.   
   >>   
   >>And even more apparently you like to make up factoids for your gun-loon   
   >>propaganda and pretend you can bluff/bluster your way out of providing   
   >>evidence.   
   >   
   > You asked for it.   
      
   On several occasions.   
      
   > The BATF (USA) reported that there were 4.5 million firearms added to   
   > the numbers of firearm in the U.S.A. every year. \   
      
   Cite?   
      
   > They also reported   
   > no correlation (or a negative one) between the civilian firearms   
   > inventory and the firearms death rate.   
      
   Cite?   
      
      
   >   
   >   
   > Not to mention the U.S. Health and Human services has provided   
   > mortality information from 1994 to 2005 showing that the cause of   
   > death from all incidents is dropping slower than the cause of death   
   > from firearms incidents.   
   > For example between 1994 and 2005 child homicide dropped 28.2%, during   
   > that same time the subset of child homicide in firearms incidents   
   > dropped 54.0%   
   > During the same period all homicides dropped 34.5% and the subset of   
   > firearm incident homicides dropped 37.4%   
   > This indicates that there are more firearms per year in the U.S. and   
   > there are fewer firearms homicides.   
      
   I'm still waiting for evidence that the firearm murder (or homicide) rate   
   dropped "every year", which is your original claim.   
      
      
   >   
   >>> Too bad you don't bother to do a little research.   
   >>   
   >>And even more of a pity that you didn't - if you had, you would have some   
   >>credibility, but as it stands you have none.   
   >>   
   >   
   > I just did a little research.  It is actual research that uses the raw   
   > of the FBI and gives us a reasonable idea of what is happening in   
   > society.   
      
   Cite that "raw of the FBI" so I can see it.   
      
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